**BUILD 3 - Windows XP Professional SP3 (Plus Tablet PC)**

[tototo]

What about using gpxe for booting from an iscsi target?
http://etherboot.org/wiki/start

Then the usb stick could be used for only netbooting the joggler. I think the Ethernet port is not slower that USB and there is no wearing out problem anymore.

[danfoshizzle]

Have not tried a netboot, but the ethernet may cause problems

[pete]

BTW; even though there are wires for antennas inside of the Joggler for the WLAN card; its still an issue here and very similiar to what I saw with the Chumby's internal WLAN card.

I am sort of blasting wireless (over 100mw RF power transmission) in the house with utilization of an outdoor commercial style AP from Ubiquiti networks. Antenna's configured now for an umbrella like house footprint. I have migrated from a 3 AP / DDWRT / tweaked RF from 30 to 100 Mw with specialized directional antennas to this setup just for ease of maintainance over the last year or so.

I have little problems with wireless access within the home for the laptops and nettops that run wirelessly and the multiple wireless picture frames around the house. I also have no problems accessing my WLAN from a few houses down from my home. I have also tested generic wirelessly connected tablets with 24/7 networking connectivity and noticed similiar on and off wireless issues. Its really though related to propagation of said RF and all of the odd occurances that happen with RF transmissions.

Primitive as it may sound; my serially 4 wire (1 power, 2 serial and one ground) connected CE based touchscreens never have an issue relating to connectivity to an always on device. One step next to this is a device connected to a network switch. Unless I have an odd broadcast storm or some network device beaconing taking a switch down; it should never really be an issue. On the other hand I personally can put a wireless device (802 dot wireless anything) next to my microwave oven or adjacent to a cement wall and literally absorb the to and from RF transmissions with as little effort as a 60 second bag of popcorn or just moving the device to being adjacent to a cement wall in the house.

That said you can run streaming from the network media devices wirelessly with virtually almost no issues with some tweaking here and there on the methodology of transport; but its not perfect because you will always have the issues of RF propagation and will need to amend this issues with tweaks to the transmission, QOS, etc of the wireless transport. It will show up as "stuttering" audio or "stuttering video" depending on what specfically it is you are streaming. Try for example streaming 720 then 1080 video (if possible) and see what happens to that video stream across a wireless connection.

[danfoshizzle]

I used to stream 720 to the joggler, And the joggler chip is capable of 1080, Although I would not even try 1080 over wifi, unless sitting next to the router lol

[Mevi]

What about using gpxe for booting from an iscsi target?
http://etherboot.org/wiki/start

Then the usb stick could be used for only netbooting the joggler. I think the Ethernet port is not slower that USB and there is no wearing out problem anymore.

I've investigated PXE before, but have thought the lack of a PC BIOS might be a problem for us. Downloaded to see if their gPXE boot image can be modified for Joggler and it looks like it uses a Linux kernel, not that I'm any kind of expert in these matters! I'm guessing EFI Grub can chainload this image. I've attached the ISO I downloaded from there - I've not made any changes to this at all.

Windows PE or a read only XP Embedded or read only regular XP is also something I'm working on. Nothing too much I can share here as it's all me fiddling until something works well, only that i can boot the Joggler to XP SP3, delete/uninstall/trash the OS and reboot back to everything being back to a default state. My builds are still a bit on the weighty side to benefit from anything as restrictive as this, so I'd either use a Foshizzle build or start from scratch, reduce the functionality down to a limited few.

[hardz]

OK guys, I'm going to give this a shot (now that I finally received a new 20GB 1.8" usb hard drive) which I've formatted to NTFS (although I'm not sure if this is the format I should be using)

I've got Win32DiskImager and the IMG file from page one.

Could you please clarify the steps I need to take using Win32DiskImager so that the XP installs and I have the rest of what's left of the 20GB to install programs and downloads.

Thanks again

[Mevi]

Disk imager is intended for flash storage so to get it to image a hdd, you'll need to fool it into imaging a hdd.

You'll need a USB stick at first, you won't be imaging it, just having one plugged in when disk imager starts up. Make a note of the drive letter that disk imager sees. Leave disk imager running and unplug the flash stick.

Plug in the hdd and let windows assign it a drive letter. Hopefully it will assign the same letter, but you may need to change it. If you do, right click My Computer and select Manage. In the storage manager snap in, right click the hdd partition and change the letter to the same as the USB stick was.

Disk imager should now be able to image the hdd. Once that's finished, you might like to go back to the disk management snap in and resize the ntfs partition to fill the remainder of the hdd.

If you have W7, yo might find it less of a fiddle to create your hdd from a VHD next time. You mount the Vhd in the windows disk manager, then you can use most partition management SW to clone the Vhd to the destination hdd, resizing to suit.

[hardz]

then you can use most partition management SW to clone the Vhd to the destination hdd, resizing to suit.

Thanks for you reply.

I'm using Windows 7 and am going to try the VHD method.

Which partition management software do you recommend (I have Paragon Partition Manager 11 but have never used it)?

[Mevi]

I use mini tools, but once the VHD is mounted, it appears as a hdd in W7 and you can probably use any partition manager you are familiar with. I forget which partition manager Dan uses, but I remember that he is able to mount the VHD in that program and image & resize all in one go.

[Mevi]

Oh, if you have already downloaded an IMG file, you can Convert it to a Vhd using starwind which I link to in the first post. Saves you having to download a Vhd.

[pete]

Personally I like using the VHD file as its easier to resize and manipulate. Then I get drawn to using GParted as its also easier to manupulate the partitions / check them etc. With Dan's smaller image it worked fine. But I wanted to add more so I increased the size of the partition with Gparted.

[pete]

I just switched back to this build. Odd occurance with Dan's a few minutes ago. Booted into the network just fine; but screen was offset up very noticibly. I redid the video drivers and instead of rebooting with same said image I went back you yours Mevi for the time being.

[danfoshizzle]

Program I use is partitionguru, It flashes the vhd really fast and will also give your usb stick a good test lol

[hardz]

Finally found some time and tried this with a 1.8" portable hard drive and well.....
AWESOME !!

Well Done.

Couple of questions:

1. What (if any) firewalls, anti-virus & malware software are you using?

2. The software keyboard is a bit too small, so what alternative keyboards do you recommend?

I'm currently waiting for a powered USB hub to arrive (so I can use a hardware keyboard & mouse), so will the system load off the hub, or do I have to change anything?

Lastly, will the system automatically recognise a bluetooth dongle connected to the hub (without the need for third party software?

Oh I just read on these forums that powered hub are not recommend. Is that true?

Thanks again

[photor]

Great work!
Thanks!

[pete]

hardz,

I haven't used any addition AV or anti Malware applications yet to date with the Jogglers. On other Atom based touch screen only boxes I utilize Avast and Malaware here. (free ones).

I utilize a small Lenova wireless combo keyboard and mouse; but rarely. I have plugged in a conventional USB Keyboard and Mouse and they work fine.

I removed the interior USB wireless stick and replaced it with a USB SSD stick. Precidence though is to boot off the external USB port first and have been able to boot just fine with the WLAN USB stick inside; USB hub outside with a memory stick and keyboard/Mouse on a non powered hub just fine.

I have not tried a USB BT dongle and will give that a try in the next few days; others on the forum though I think have used a BT dongle.

Initially testing was with a powered hub. It did work but did light up the backlight when connecting a powered hub to the USB side connector. I do not know if it would cause any damage; I just quit using it because I didn't like seeing the backlight lit prior to powering the Joggler with the power port. If you are into HW modifications; I did read something about using a powered hub; but disconnecting the power line of the USB cable that plugged into the Joggler. IE: so power was provided to the devices hanging off the hub; but no power was passed to the Joggler via the USB cable to the Joggler.

Also to note is that a warm reboot will work with the WLAN USB stick or a USB to NIC device but not always work with the integrated NIC.

[hardz]

Hi, thanks for the reply.

Would love to hardware hack but it's beyond my current ability (fear of destroying it).

I'm not going to use a powered hub after reading about it, but just tried an non-powered hub (which worked with the Ubuntu image i used a while ago [again with a 1.8" hard drive], inc keyboard and mouse) but the Joggler keeps booting to the O2 os.

I ran the "with hub" command before removing the hard drive from the PC and when connected to the hub and powering on, some yellow writing appears beneath the O2 logo and then it boots to the O2 os.

I've also tried putting the contents of the "with hub" directly in the root of the EFI but the results are the same.

How can i get this problem fixed because it would be great to have a physical keyboard and mouse working?

[pete]

I'm not going to use a powered hub after reading about it, but just tried an non-powered hub (which worked with the Ubuntu image i used a while ago [again with a 1.8" hard drive], inc keyboard and mouse) but the Joggler keeps booting to the O2 os.

Try the same with the USB memory stick on different ports. I find depending on which hub I am using (I have like 6 here that I have been playing with). Note too the two EFI boot configurations that Dan and Mevi have set up for their builds. Here is an EFI partition zip file you can utilize.

Initially validate that it boots without being plugged into a hub. (the nohub / hub boot will work both with and without a hub). Then after you validated that it boots try again with the USB hub without a keyboard/mouse plugged in on different USB ports on the hub. Once you got it booting and you are in XP; plug in your keyboard/mouse and you should be good to go.

[hardz]

Again, thanks

What I done was run the "with Hub" command with admin privileges and it worked.

The Joggler boots off a non powered hub and also allows use of a keyboard and mouse.

Will Avira and Malwarebytes slow it down too much?

Lastly, I'm surprised it plays 720p MKV's smoothly (which is great) using Media Player Classic, but subtitles require VMR 7 or 9 renderless to run, but the playback is then jerky.

Is there a way to play HD MKV's smoothly with subs?

[pete]

I am running Avast and Malwarebytes on first gen on 24/7 Atom PC's and do not notice a slow down; but I never benchmarked them.

For MKV's on my MM Wintel box next to the TV I use "CoreAVC" (years now). I haven't tried it on the Joggler though. I have tested 720p movies and they play fine. 1080p though is a bit jerky though.

http://corecodec.com/products/coreavc

I used a kind of rooted NMT called the Patriot Box Office (PBO). Little thing with a 2.5" 1TB drive in it. (have 5 of these around the house). I do though UPNP to a Tversity and PlayOn TV box too and it does well streaming from a NAS box with movies on it.

http://www.patriotmemory.com/products/d ... 159&id=895