Ubuntu / Xubuntu for the O2 Joggler.

General discussion relating to the O2 Joggler, from the default O2 setup, to alternative operating systems and applications.
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Re: Ubuntu for the O2 Joggler.

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BuZz wrote:aah good. thanks for letting me know. I don't have wireless N here, so wasn't really able to test :) so before, you could only connect as G max on the older (in kernel) driver?
Yes, whenever the older driver connected to the Time Capsule, AirPort Utility would show it as connected, but as an 802.11b/g device with a rate never higher than 54Mbps. Once the v2.4.0.0 was installed it appeared as 802.11b/g/n and a rate of >54Mbps is the norm. :)
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Re: Ubuntu for the O2 Joggler.

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"reboot" and "power off" are fixed in v 1.9, but this version shows more crashes.
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Re: Ubuntu for the O2 Joggler.

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deathsatan wrote:"reboot" and "power off" are fixed in v 1.9, but this version shows more crashes.
Thanks for the feedback. Hope there is something you do like about it too ;-) feel free to pastebin any crashlogs, and ill try and help.
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Re: Ubuntu for the O2 Joggler.

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my bad english :(

http://www.hi-pda.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=62
this is our chinese joggler forum, you may have a visit, there are many fans of you. ;)
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Re: Ubuntu for the O2 Joggler.

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The Natty Ext4 img page is missing - there an update in the offing? Keen to try Unity on the Joggler...
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acesabe wrote:The Natty Ext4 img page is missing - there an update in the offing? Keen to try Unity on the Joggler...
link is fixed. Only unity 2d will work btw due to graphics driver issues.
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Re: Ubuntu for the O2 Joggler.

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Hi,

I 've just bought a Joggler and installed the Ubuntu 10.10 image on a hard drive. My intention is to use it as a Squeeze Box server for my Squeezebox Touch and as secondary Squeezebox unit for the kitchen.
My main problem so far is related to sound. The Joggler keeps emitting small clicking-sounds and cracks which are even worse when I ouput the sound to an amplifier. This happens all the time, right after booting. When booting from original OS, I have no problem with the music samples which are provided.
Is there a way to solve this?
Thanks.
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Re: Ubuntu for the O2 Joggler.

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holmes wrote:The Joggler keeps emitting small clicking-sounds and cracks which are even worse when I ouput the sound to an amplifier.
Take a peek at the 'Interference / pops / clicks in audio output' bit on BuZz's page where you downloaded the image from.
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Re: Ubuntu for the O2 Joggler.

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BuZz wrote:
acesabe wrote:The Natty Ext4 img page is missing - there an update in the offing? Keen to try Unity on the Joggler...
link is fixed. Only unity 2d will work btw due to graphics driver issues.
Loads to desktop but hangs error report window at which point system becomes unresponsive - this is with you linked Natty Ext3 image.

Keen to try out the Unity interface as it should be better than the standard desktop for accessibility.

Not sure about Florence integration in the new appindicator panel..
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acesabe wrote:[
Loads to desktop but hangs error report window at which point system becomes unresponsive - this is with you linked Natty Ext3 image.

Keen to try out the Unity interface as it should be better than the standard desktop for accessibility.

Not sure about Florence integration in the new appindicator panel..
there are a bunch of crashing from apps around the time i built that natty image. however it worked most of the time here during testing. you can drop to a shell and do a dist-upgrade to bring it more up to date also.
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Re: Ubuntu for the O2 Joggler.

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Hi Everyone,

I just put the Ubuntu 10.04 v1.9 Image (btrfscom) to an Stick.
Everything is working fine (good job Buzz!) but the xbmc is not.

I've opened the terminal to see what error messages xbmc is throwing.
It closes with an SQL error or missing database.

I've deleted the whole .xbmc folder in the home directory to start with factory defaults, but it's throwing nearly the same message.
I will try it with an other flash drive, maybe there went something wrong with writing the image or my btrfs is corrupted (loss of power ?!).

Has anyone an idea ?

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Re: Ubuntu for the O2 Joggler.

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First - thank to the people who produced the Joggler linux images.

I knew the joggler was good, and have had one for a couple of months and done very little with it. well I downloaded and ubuntu 10.10 image, put it on a usb pen drive and it all worked. I was very impressed by that. But then after using ubuntu on the joggler for a while it is unbelievable.

I'm pretty new to Ubuntu and have just started using the unity 3d and 2d interface on a netbook. I like this as it makes better use of the screen space - something to me that is even more important on a 7 inch screen.

I have installed unity 2d on 10.10 on the joggler and this results in :
* interface is displayed ok
* can move the mouse pointer with attached usb mouse - however movement is jerky
* attached usb keyboard is unresponsive
* not possible to click on anything with attached usb mouse

I have seen that you have unity 2d operational on 11.04, but I was just wondering if you had any advice on getting unity 2d working better on 10.10 ?

FYI, I followed the install instructions here :

http://www.webupd8.org/2011/01/unity-2d-qt-now-available-in-ppa-for.html

however, rather than use the terminal commands indicated, I used the same details in the package manager.
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Re: Ubuntu for the O2 Joggler.

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Juggler wrote: I have seen that you have unity 2d operational on 11.04, but I was just wondering if you had any advice on getting unity 2d working better on 10.10 ?
Pleased you are enjoying the images :)

You could try out the latest Natty beta (I just created it moments ago).

http://joggler.exotica.org.uk/img/ubunt ... com.img.gz

It boots into Unity 2d, and seems to mostly work ok (As much as Unity is supposed to work). Some of the icon sizes are not ideal for the joggler etc, but this is unity issues that will probably get addressed in the future.

In terms of "unresponsive" issues, you might want to check the section on overheating/throttling at http://joggler.exotica.org.uk/ubuntu/ (if you haven't already)
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Oh, and I would be interested to hear back from anyone else regarding the natty image and how it works for them. The last one had a last minute change that made it unusable, hence I pulled it some days ago until I could sort it out (mismatched compiler version for kernel / out of tree modules). Now it is fixed. Boots into Unity 2d, but can be switched to classic mode by logging out and in again.
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Not got round to trying the latest beta yet, but having just read this Phoronix article about a major power usage regression apparent in Natty 11.04:

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=a ... ffda&num=1

Not good news for those wanting a cool efficient Linux system running on their mobile device - or Joggler! Hopefully this will get addressed before final?
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acesabe wrote:Not got round to trying the latest beta yet, but having just read this Phoronix article about a major power usage regression apparent in Natty 11.04:

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=a ... ffda&num=1

Not good news for those wanting a cool efficient Linux system running on their mobile device - or Joggler! Hopefully this will get addressed before final?
It's unlikely to make a difference to the joggler - which runs hot anyway, plus it's a phoronix article so accuracy might not be so great (just my own view). Some useful stuff but quite often they make mistakes, and then even when corrected don't fix up their articles. I think there is an "ego" issue there :)

regarding natty, there are a lot of issues with it mind, including the fact they currently broke "simulate second click" im running a maverick package to fix it temporarily. lots of other issues too. probably the most buggy ubuntu yet unless they magically fix everything in the last week.
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Well I'm not gonna argue with Phoronix or their naysayers, but what I do know it that Ubuntu haven't been aiming their distro at the mobile market, until now, and they have a long way to go until the kernel/system is optimized for running in a lean and mean fashion on lower spec hardware. That said, the fact the Poulsbo chipset is supported ootb makes it (and it's Debian base) a good starting point to build something that is. Surely there is an Ubuntu spin someone is working on that actually achieves this to a decent degree, not simply by switching window managers?!
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Ubuntu Natty
v1.0beta3 (23/04/2011)

Kernel 2.6.38.4
Package updates
Default to max cstate=2 to avoid crackles on (all) jogglers without grub.cfg editing
Use classic desktop by default. Unity 2d switchable from login screen
Fixed second click using click/hold on screen (downgraded mousetweaks to maverick version)

Ubuntu Maverick
v1.10 (23/04/2011)

Kernel 2.6.38.4
Package updates
Default to max cstate=2 to avoid crackles on (all) jogglers without grub.cfg editing
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This really really really might possibly but maybe not be the last maverick release ;-)

but probably.
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acesabe wrote:Well I'm not gonna argue with Phoronix or their naysayers, but what I do know it that Ubuntu haven't been aiming their distro at the mobile market, until now, and they have a long way to go until the kernel/system is optimized for running in a lean and mean fashion on lower spec hardware. That said, the fact the Poulsbo chipset is supported ootb makes it (and it's Debian base) a good starting point to build something that is. Surely there is an Ubuntu spin someone is working on that actually achieves this to a decent degree, not simply by switching window managers?!
jolicloud has some power saving stuff on top of what ubuntu normally provides, and im sure there are other distros.
poulsbo support is still pretty poor, and hard work, although will be interesting to see what comes out of the reverse engineering project. very basic support is in 2.6.39 but we are better off with the emgd driver for now (waiting on intel's next release that seems to be synced with meego)
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