Windows Server 2003 RELEASED

[danfoshizzle]

xda is one of my favourite places , some super smart guys over there. Glad to see you will be posting new images Pete, the more people building custom images the better it will get, And a custom joggler kitchen would be awesome!


PS Always wanted a play with a chumby but cant buy them over here, may get one shiped over as another little toy to play with!

ALSO look at this symbol a guy on hipda posted: ส็็็็็ never seen anything like it, takes takes six backspaces to delete it lol

[jimeney]

Any chance of VNC being installed with a default password, or remote desktop being enabled? That way, users without a hub can remote on (sorry if this has already been covered?)

PS any thoughts on XP Embedded or similar? I have access to it on MSDN

[danfoshizzle]

embedded would be another one to test and play with, but someone with msdn access such as yourself would have to take the job on as i do not have access. Can see it running pretty well though

[pete]

jimeny,

I installed Ultra VNC client / server on the XP image I am using. It works well. Use RDP but like VNC better. For the Chumby Touchscreens I use VNC and the frame buffer to monitor them. I build one touchscreen with 4 framebuffer pictures to show live status. I'm using the little bitty Lenova wireless keyboard for the Joggler and its easier to do stuff via VNC than it is to type on this little keyboard. (I don't have enough room on my desk for multiple keyboards).

Here's a snapshot of a VNC session with the Joggler. I also tried a snapshot of it running an HD video. It wouldn't come across thought with VNC although the Joggler screen was fine with the HD.



Dan,

The Chumby's are "OK" but a bit slow with a resistive screen. The best so far I've seen is a custom flash overlay; everything else is really slow - running USB stick linux on the 500Mhz / 800Mhz Chumby is functional but very slow. Running a single flash application (Chumby OS was written for that) is fast.

MS has a tendency to put its "teeth" into stuff (like embedded) making it nice but difficult to distribute. THAT more the the OS is the real concern / issue. For a while there though in the early 2000's worked on an embedded Linux (and MS) terminal for airport use which allowed connectivity to a middle ware multiple PID/Client box (was able to get 6000 pids on one box). Only issue was it was easier and cheaper to do with linux than MS. It was more IT political than a technological advance. People didn't want to just swap out a CF card to fix a PC; made for less work?

IE: trying but having issues on getting a deal on an inwall Arm9 touchscreen device with CE on it; while its being advertised; they won't sell it to me with CE on it. When I use the slower processors though I move from using TTS to a network copy of of the speech sentence and played back versus contruction of the TTS from the text.

[danfoshizzle]

slowness doesn't bother me at all (ex huawei pulse user, possibly the worst android phone ever made lol) its all about what you make use of in the software for me, IE online radio/ alarm clock is an ideal use for the chumby but making it do stuff that it was never designed to do is what excites me, like the joggler running xp, its not the best at running it, but the fact that we have made it run xp is the best bit, i have also made windows 98 run on android, totally useless but still fun and also a learning experience.


Anyway rant over lol

I have boxee running but it kills the joggler the moment you try to play an online video, That being the main use for boxee i will rule this out as future joggler app. XBMC is just as good at online content once you have the right addons installed, I have it playing 1080 and 720p streaming from navix and its fast at doing that, With no screen tearing or stuttering just smooth playback,

Really liking miniscroller for conveniece as it has an enter button lol
Also using the right click app Dmouse for convenience too, have tried a touch and hold app but it takes too many tries to get it to right click.

[danfoshizzle]

Also embedded would probably run really fast, but customizing would be another matter

[verg0]

Yeah, i wanted to try an embedded build on a SSD, but still cant grasp the boot process :S

[danfoshizzle]

do you have a build ready? i can make it boot lol

[danfoshizzle]

A plea to anyone who can get a joggler embedded image built, I can customize, make it run faster, and make it be a generally better image, but i do not have access to msdn and my old cds wont install on my current windows 8 build, so if you can run target analyzer and hit me up with a copy of the iso i would be really appreciative,

Thanks in advance

[pete]

Yeah; the enjoyment of it all is just getting it to work.

Comparing an customized application (with TTS et al) I found after installing .net, flash etc, TTS, on and on ...the speed of the embedded was just about the same. (XPE, XPSP3, W7 and W2003) I acually liked W7 starter package over the W7 Ultimate running just one application. As a desktop though Ultimate was nicer. Thing is with W7, MS kind of rewrote the networking rules and made it such that it is kind of a "matter of fact" that all your home networking devices should be MS. But on the other hand they created new standards; then everyone followed up on them. I do remember though playing with Windows 1.0, 3.0 and Windows for "workgroups" building the network stack in DOS.

I also though played with the Commodore-64, Amiga, first Macs, TRS-80's, Sinclair's and IBM OS2. IBM missed the boat on OS2; lots of potential way before Windows 95. It was kind of a race and IBM lost. My favorite though was the Amiga; well ahead of its time.

Yeah; this is fun. I had a bit of a time using the Google translater reading what's going on. It doesn't do that well though with the translations. I was trying to do the donation thing but I couldn't get it to work much.

Today for my NMT's I utilize the small little Patriot Box Office with a modded OS and chrooted it such that it runs remotely with a web browser interface. I also installed a 1TB drive it in. These are so small you can fit them behind an LCD. They do well with HDMI 1080 and a bit portable as I always take one with me when traveling.

The Joggler and what you are doing with it Dan is phenomenal! It really is a well build little device with much potential; well designed. Me I'm getting old and starting to run out of steam...prime was 70's and 80's for me....I sometimes fall asleep sitting in a chair these days...

[danfoshizzle]

hell the amount of times i woke up with my face in the keyboard lol The system speaker really should be louder to wake my ass up lol,

yeah i could not get the donate thing to work either, the guy who made all this possible, Eric Huang, really is a clever guy

My hat Goes off to you eric lol

[pete]

Dan,

Ran target analyzer and posted results in one of the first XP posts somewhere here. The only thing is that there's a whole bunch of USB devices on it that I tried; keyboards, mice, USB hubs, drives and USB sticks.

I do stay more away in front of a keyboard though...its like a dinner with my wife's family that I sometimes fall asleep in a sitting position. She has a tendancy and means to jolt me out of a sound sleep with no one seeing anything...similiar to sometimes when she doesn't like the way I am driving...painful sometimes...lol

[verg0]

Hi, I will do an Embedded image when I have some 'free time' (prob a couple of days) as my new iPhone is arriving today and need to have play with that first!....

I'll post the '.slx' file here as theres 100's of components to choose from in XPE that mightn't suit everyones needs!


BTW: There is a great guide to XPE that i have used before to customize other devices here:

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Part 1
http://blog.augustoalvarez.com.ar/2009/01/07/preparing-and-installing-windows-xp-embedded-images-part-i-setting-up-the-environment/

Part 2
http://blog.augustoalvarez.com.ar/2009/01/07/preparing-and-installing-windows-xp-embedded-images-part-ii-building-images/

Part 3
http://blog.augustoalvarez.com.ar/2009/01/07/preparing-and-installing-windows-xp-embedded-images-part-iii-using-remote-boot/

XPE SP2:

[danfoshizzle]

@vergo Dont spend too much time speaking to siri now lol

[jimeney]

How's your 2003 image coming along? Really looking forward to having a play with it. Would love to see the image have VNC or RDP on as I don't have the luxury of a powered hub at the moment.

As far as XP embedded. I'm downloading it as we speak from MSDN. DM me (we do have DM on these forums don't we?)

I've also seen there's a Windows Embedded 2009 available too. Fancy a try with that?

[danfoshizzle]

cheers jimeney, will send you a PM on the forum, not sure about dm,

And 2009 will not work as it uses a different boot sequence.

2003 either tonight or tomorrow morning, i promise lol

[pete]

I've gotten used to playing around with the microdrive and seeing both partitions; IE: EFI and NTFS. Looking today I found a way to make your USB stick "appear" as a hard drive. Once this is done you can create the two partitions (EFI-FAT32 and the NTFS) with something like GParted. Once done then just make the NTFS partition bootable. You will still be able to see them. Here are the steps. I'm testing it by copying the two partitions created with the microdrive over to the two partitions created with the method in the link. Looks to work just fine.

http://dogma.swiftspirit.co.za/archives/518

1 - download attached file.
2 - Open the cfadisk.inf file in notepad and find the section labeled [cfadisk_device]. Remove the section in bold italics.

[cfadisk_device]
%Microdrive_devdesc% = cfadisk_install,IDE\DiskIBM-DSCM-11000__________________________SC2IC801
%Microdrive_devdesc% = cfadisk_install,IDE\DiskIBM-DSCM-11000__________________________SC2IC815
%Microdrive_devdesc% = cfadisk_install,IDE\DiskIBM-DSCM-11000__________________________SC2IC915
%Microdrive_devdesc% = cfadisk_install,IDE\DiskIBM-DSCM-10512__________________________SC1IC801
%Microdrive_devdesc% = cfadisk_install,IDE\DiskIBM-DSCM-10512__________________________SC1IC815
%Microdrive_devdesc% = cfadisk_install,IDE\DiskIBM-DSCM-10512__________________________SC1IC915
%Microdrive_devdesc% = cfadisk_install,IDE\DiskIBM-DMDM-10340__________________________MD2IC501
%Microdrive_devdesc% = cfadisk_install,IDE\DiskIBM-DMDM-10340__________________________MD2IC601

3 - leave notepad open and go to your control panel, system properties, hardware. device manager.
4 - find your USB stick under disk drives. Click on properties. Go to the details tab and hardware ids. Copy the first line (control c)
5 - paste this line at the point in the cfadisk.inf file right after the comma where you removed the section.

Mine looks like this:

[cfadisk_device]
%Microdrive_devdesc% = cfadisk_install,USBSTOR\Disk________Patriot_Memory__PMAP

6 - save the file.
7 - update the driver choosing the new INF file that you just edited.
8 - it will state something like "hitachi micro drive".

Thats it.

Now when you parition it you will see both paritions as if it were an IDE drive making it a bit easier to play with. I didn't get the new SSD USB but tried this with a fast USB stick using the last microIDE image. Works just fine with the USB flash drive inside of the Joggler.

[danfoshizzle]

thanks pete, im sure people will use this, can be frustrating not having both partitions,

Also try partition guru/diskgenius, can see all partitions on a usb stick and does file transfer too.

[pete]

Thanks Dan. It'll make it a bit easier to play with a wintel (whichever one) PE configuration.

Just testing an 8Gb USB (a faster one; but not SSD) inside of the Joggler instead of the microdrive. Its suitable to use. Next will try leaving some applications to run and see how they do. I put a 5 second delay on the screen brightness program but its still to fast and I get an "InitializeWinIo failure" when booting; so will try a 10 second delay.

I've rebooted the configuration a couple of times and it boots fine. (Note this is just the XP build).

I'll Ghost (instead of img the USB) this image (one on the IDE looking USB stick) and post after playing some more with the 4Gb plan image.

[pete]

Testing the 8Gb USB stick; noticed after a few hours it got really slow. The "real" microdrive did not slow like this after running overnight.

It could be the way that I configured the USB flash drive in the Joggler.

It was configured to be recognized as a Hitachi Microdrive on the configuration computer.

I then loaded the same drivers used to configure the drive on the Joggler.

Rebooted. Now to see if it runs better than when configured as a flash drive.

I do notice when booting it now shows a cfadisk.sys file loading up after Mup.sys.