win10 on Joggler

[xyb678]

Just curious, is it possible to install win10 only Joggler?

[hawsey]

Ha , I was just wondering this today , there are specific tablet versions of Windows 10 so it might be possible , I found this on the net

"To qualify, a Windows 10 mobile device has to have at least 512 MB of RAM (to run the 32-bit version of Windows 10), 4 GB of internal storage (at this limit also a microSD card slot), support for DirectX 9, physical hardware buttons for power, volume up and volume down (in case of the lowest-supported-resolution — 480 by 800 — start, back and search buttons — capacitive, given current designs — are also needed). "

So that looks promising , also I am pretty sure that there is a Raspberry Pi version although that will be Arm rather than Intel .

[roobarb!]

Just squeaks in at the minimum specs, which is impressive for a new Windows release! That's full Windows 10 - if you've got a Joggler with SeaBIOS on it, it might even install from a DVD!

Raspberry Pi version is a weird release that's not like the desktop version. I had a play with it. Lost interest.

[hawsey]

I've got the Seabiosed Joggler , might try it , does anybody know if there is a trimmed down Intel tablet version of W10 knocking around ?
I will Google around later

[hawsey]

I had a look around for a copy of W10 that doesn't require a key but gave up , I'm now downloading on to a USB stick and will use the key from a laptop

[pete]

Relating to Wintel last version I installed on the Joggler was 8.1 on a Seabios'd Openpeak from a CD/DVD. It worked but it was a bit slow. Note too that I use a 16Gb PATA ZIF drive for my base OS on the Openpeak.

I have historically done that USB boot thing but not recently.

I was playing with the lite version of Windows 8.1 on a newly purchased PiPoX7 which really has a tablet OS on it such that I do have it connected to a 19" touch monitor. The Intel Baytrail CPU is a quad core Atom which clocks a tad over 2.0Ghz, has 2Gb of RAM and a 32 Gb MMC soldered on to the tiny motherboard which consumes around 8 watts of electricity. Windows 8.1 32bit ran fine on it (it was fast).

Note too now a PiPoX8 has been released and it is cheaper on Amazon than the PiPoX7. It includes a capacitance screen. It is a sort of tilted tablet top touch screen PC. Base hardware is WLAN, Bluetooth, NIC , MMC, HDMI video / Audio HD all in a motherboard about a tiny bit bigger than the RPi2. Base OS purchase includes the lite version of Windows 8.1 and one year of Microsoft Office 365 as a side appetizer.

A couple of weeks ago updated the W8.1 build to Windows 10. It is a 32bit OS running on a 64 bit CPU.

Over these past couple weeks tested my automation stuff / KODI et al on Windows 10. It works fine.

Unique is the new Microsoft Explorer called Edge. Note by default Windows 10 binds you / OS to Internetlandia; well similar to other tablet / mobile software. It is not anything new except for MS doing what everybody else is doing today. There has been some chit chat relating to privacy concerns and so forth. You can tweak it out a bit if you want or are concerned with this stuff. Just go with flow and enjoy the ride.

Now have ventured over to installing Ubuntu 14.04 LTS on it running at 64 bits. Earlier versions did not have the audio / bluetooth stuff. New one does. It runs way faster in Ubuntu. I am considering it now as a replacement to my RPi2 running some stuff.

The above written there was a beta test Windows 10 ISO out there in Internetlandia with a time limit key on it.

Relating to using it on the Joggler it will probably work; BUT you will not really get more than BuZz's / roobarb!'s Joggler builds.

Give it a go on the Joggler and play away. Many folks like it much more than Windows 8.1. You can turn on and off tablet / Metro on it.

My currently utilized OS on my devices 24/7 now for over a year is Ubuntu / Embedded XP.

=====off on rant here=====
Personally here most / many folks idea of what is a computer is related to their phones. That said the assumption is if they can utilize facebook, tweet, and remote control their home then it's a computer. Many folks today use the cell phone as their primary interface to the internet and while it is a computer; it's more of a terminal that is on 24/7. I did play in the early days relating to projects that tethered the phone to the person. Projects dictated that the person was on call 24/7 anywhere in the world. That was around the time I personally shut off the tethering. (middle 2000's). I have friends here now that prefer to sleep with their phones and do wake up in the middle of the night to answer a tweet or text.

Windows 8 and 8.1 didn't make it easy for you to shut off as they assumed like you mobile phone you would leave the PC on 24/7. You can now shut off Windows 10. That said though what it does when it's on is more related to the internet then you utilizing it as a tool.

Note that this is my opinion as I do take mostly take what I want from the internet and don't participate in social sites, tweeter, et al. I do find it funny that folks have concerns about privacy issues while telling the world on facebook when they had a bowel movement.

Personally here an applaud goes to Microsoft for Windows 10 as it always has been the most common desktop OS of choice throughout the world. Mostly thinking the negative stuff is coming from the competition (and media).

I do like that I will be able to see the same OS on my tablet (which I do today) and Cellular phone (which I do today). I wish though for a purely Ubuntu / Linux based cell phone and tablet (did install Ubuntu on one tablet) and I do think this is just around the corner timewise.

As mentioned many times now what Windows 10 does is not any different than other internet connected device today.

[hawsey]

Love the pipoX Pete

Some experiments trying to get W10 going on a Seabiosed Joggler , see shots below ,
Steps I tried
1 :Made up a USB installer stick off the Microsoft website

2 :attached the installer stick to a USB hub with a mouse and keyboard and another blank USB stick as I thought I might need these to install but no luck

3 just tried the installer stick on its own and hey presto , it started to boot ,

4 Touch screen working OK so I let it try to boot after selecting country etc

5 I got to a the point where it wanted the Microsoft licence key which I tried the one off my laptop but it just came back that this was not valid .

Good progress but I would really like a copy of W10 without the key being needed

At this point the installer stick gave up the ghost and I retired my evenings Joggling for a glass of vino

One picture shows me creating the USB key on the laptop and the other picture shows W10 trying to install on the Joggler .
[attachment=1]Screenshot_2015-08-27-23-24-57.png

[pete]

Very nice hawsey!!!

You can shut off the tablet mode to switch to the desktop.

I have read some where that the license is transferable to another PC although I have not tried that yet.

[hawsey]

I've had a look about and it looks like some of the preview builds W10 10049 for instance might not need a key but will expire in October , so I will try that tonight maybe

[hawsey]

Not having much luck here for a license key free copy to install .
It might be time for me to look at the Wiki to see how the efi boot build of XP was made as what I have tried here with limited success is on a SeaBiosed joggler which I would imagine not many of us have on here a USB stick bootable version of W10 will be the way to go I think.

There might be stuff in here that will help , I just dug this out the wiki but to be honest I think it would be beyond me .

http://www.jogglerwiki.com/wiki/Windows ... ng_Windows

One nagging doubt as well is that I have seen mention W10 will work on 512Mb that the Joggler has but other sources are saying 1gig minimum
More research needed

[pete]

Here only installed an up to modded Windows 8.0 looking like Windows 8.1 on the Openframe PATA SSD card and it did work with only 512Mb of RAM. Built in tablet touch worked but real tablet touch was 3rd party demo or paid which was sort of willy nilly. I think though it created a boot partition on the PATA SSD and did nothing with the seabios other than an '86 kickstart in to the 32bit OS.

I just dug this out the wiki but to be honest I think it would be beyond me .

The wiki deals with the emulation of the old standard boot (MBR) conversion (via a modification) to a USB stick which is a totally different animal than EFI booting. This methodology was used in Windows XP. That said using a standard pata port SSD the USB is out of the picture and you can standardize the installation. NOW too the installation can be on a USB stick (like Linux), MMC or whatever suits your fancy. When I tried Windows 8.1 from an ISO with the Seabios in place it didn't recognize the USB stick. That said I think that Windows 10 is different but haven't tried. I know though I can install Ubuntu 14.04 64 bit now on a second MMC. The piece that is different is that the installation is 64bit. The built in EFI boot for Windows 10 is only 32bit.

With the PiPoX 7 the EFI / BIOS appears to have been made for Intel / Microsoft / Android. There was talk originally too that you really had to check out the licensing as some came with a trial 30 day license while others came with a full mini Windows 8.1/Office 365 (one year) license. Here validated my license right from the get go. I thought it was a good deal but did notice a new mini Windows 8.1 licensing thing crop up.

I did get the tickle right on the PipoX7 Windows 8.1 display to update to Windows 10 in the last couple of months. I happen to look at the updates a few days later after the screen tickle and the Windows 10 update was there. I updated it and it does show a validated license.

What I have noticed though is that now I have two boot EFI sections or partitions that are both seen in the BIOS but only the Windows 10 EFI boot works now. I am thinking that if I want to downgrade back to Windows 8.1 that I can as there is also a saved partition indicating Windows 8.1 on the same MMC (which is only 32Gb in multiple partitions). Somewhere also read that the deal for this was between Intel and Wintel and didn't include Linux or Ubuntu.

[hawsey]

Cheers Pete , I had another go tonight on my volunteer Joggler running SeaBios , I downloaded the installation USB stick off the Microsoft website , opened up the joggler and removed the wireless card fitting a Sandisk 32 GB stick in its place to take the installation ,
switched on the Joggler which took until the Seabios went through its 60 second cycle then booted straight in to the W10 USB install ,(touch screen and virtual keyboard responding well) , I chose language and which version to install but the keys I am using won't work , so I am still needing one of the W10 technical preview builds without a key to continue , I did have a good look around the net for one but with no luck .
Will keep plugging away

[pete]

PM'd you.

While I have just used the Pipo X7 it for automation touchscreen purposes I am having an issue still when I remotely shut off the screen it shuts off the network NIC no mattter what I do which probably has to do with the drivers of the Intel Atom Baytrail quad core. That said I have none of these issues when running Ubuntu 14.04 LTS 64 bit. (and Ubuntu runs really fast). I am too now looking at a proprietary for automation metro screen except that its a slow hand build versus using my touch screen designer.

I have fixed my old embedded wintel builds now for time stuff as the Openpeak doesn't have a battery / RTC. I put a quickie boot up script which checks the network, manually sets a time, pauses for the network then time syncs manually which works for me. I run a couple of remote control agents on the machine for monitoring plus what is needed for touch and keep it really simple. Did the same for a W7 embedded build as I am single purposing these machines and not really using them as a desktop today. (same with Ubuntu Openpeak devices). A tiny RTC clock can still be installed with a little wiring magic but not really worth the effort. I do want to turn it in to an intercom with video of sorts and still utilize the DECT communications for it. I got the intercom / video stuff working in Ubuntu. I can make the DECT phones work with another VOIP box just fine; only this one I cannot get to work in Ubuntu.

[hawsey]

Thanks for the heads up Pete , unfortunately after I downloaded and made up the installer USB it is still after a licence key more research needed .... Thanks

[pete]

Have you tried these?

Download Windows 10 RTM Build 10240 ISO

http://microsoft-news.com/download-wind ... 10240-iso/

[hawsey]

Have you tried these?

Download Windows 10 RTM Build 10240 ISO

http://microsoft-news.com/download-wind ... 10240-iso/

Thanks Pete , these have the key so look promising , cheers

[pete]

Good news Gary. Tried to lighten up the thread with some brevity but do not know how to insert a youtube video?

[youtube][/youtube]

[hawsey]

Good news Gary. Tried to lighten up the thread with some brevity but do not know how to insert a youtube video?

[youtube][/youtube]

Ha ha Pete , I'm downloading that now thanks , to insert a video link you see the thing above , you just copy the you tube link and paste it bang in the middle of it so it would be , youtube]put link here [/youtube]

[pete]

Thank you Gary.

Yup; here tried link, removing s from the http and the link without the https and nothing worked.

Will try it again.

[hawsey]

Good and bad news, Pete , the link worked great and got me past the validation stage , next step to install the OS so I get to the next screen and it said no device found to install to this was with the installer key in the side port and a SandiscUltrafit 32 gig in the wireless card USB port internal ( I have the Joggler to bits at this point ) so I tried my mini USB 750 gig HDD and hit refresh and it picked that up no problem and showed its partitions so I hit install and I now get this error
below so it looks like it needs an internal HDD or a port like you fitted Pete I wonder is there any way to fool it in to thinking the USB port is and internal HDD .
I have also looked at possible bootable image of W10 from a USB stick like we already use for Xubuntu etc but can't find anything
All good fun