Win 8.1 on joggler

[pete]

Thank you mickchip and will do (will PM).

Very good deal on the Digital Engine!

BTW we do a similiar deal for maybe a DE instead (if you want more DE's)?

Just a few weeks back installed one at my sister in laws house. Use of it is very plugnplay and I have configured remote access to it such that I can manage it remotely just fine.

Here today that is all I am using for my XBMC boxes (connected to multiple LCD TVs these days). These are older but cheap with the bulk buy.

I initially found one source and asked about a multiple purchase. Seller agreed to sell me rest of his stock including spare stuff. They are not "pretty" machines; rather more industrial machines.

http://global.aopen.com/products_detail.aspx?auno=2606#

The seller included XPE embedded on all of them with CF cards / licensing. I am using small SSD drives for them and the MythTV mysql DB as a common DB for all of them (works great).

We were watching a movie last night and I did ask my wife if she heard any noise (fan) from the digital engine. She did not. I noticed when I first boot it up in Linux you do hear the fan for a second or two; then not at all. You can purchase tiny blue tooth modules that fit inside of the digital engine which work well. That said I mostly just utilize a standard MCE remote (well actually Logitech and MCE remote) which work well.

The digital engines are all connected via Gb; but wireless works OK if you want to use it. (it has a mini pci slot in it).

[mickchip]

I think I would like to stick to an OpenFrame 7 if that's OK, something else to tinker with.
With the DE965 PRO that's on its way I will have two, already have a DE945-CD

Just been informed that I have to tidy up the room I use for tinkering with PC's/Electronics before we go on holiday
that will take a couple of days!

[pete]

Sent you a PM.

BTW I got some guy trying to sell me two of them; but they are really beat up. One is duct taped together running Linux and the other one looks like its been dropped a few times.

[mickchip]

I have been messing about with DUET efi boot on bios pc's and have managed to make a USB boot stick.
This is what you get on the Core booted joggler. It's what the joggler efi rom should have been like.
Only just got it working so havn't tried much yet.

UPDATE
Getting a bit closer

[pete]

Very nice Mick!

[mickchip]

UPDATE

Could not get Win8.1 to boot with DUET, would start and part way through error out, so
I thought I would try CLOVER EFI boot loader and bingo, I now have Win8.1 UEFI USB booting.

This is on a core booted joggler with CLOVER on a 1gb stick and Win8.1 to go uefi version on a 40gb usb hard disk.
It's a bit hit & miss as to weather it boots, (fails sometimes ) probably due to usb on core boot / seabios being a bit flakey.

[hawsey]

Wow
Instructions please :$
Will give it a go

[mickchip]

You will have to wait a while for a how to, I'm having trouble with the USB freezing up now.
There's a bit more work to do yet.

By the way it works perfectly on the Q1U.

[pete]

I am "amazed" here with the Q1U!

Very fast!

[pete]

Goofing around today with a fresh build of Windows 8.1 on the Joggler.

It started a bit slow and the more I used it the faster it got. Way faster than Windows 7 on the Joggler.

One surprising feature that I do not have with the XP Jogglers is that I can put it in standby remotely and wake it up using the WOL. Very nice. I did also change the MAC address on it for remote control. I have been having some issues with the video driver running the Openpeak in XP. Noticed that all is OK using the off the shelf installed Microsoft video driver. Audio driver also works just fine.

I have installed text to speech on it and its working well. Still leaning towards using it with the regular desktop which I keep going back to

[mickchip]

EFI rom differences.
The Verzion rom & the Avaya rom are slightly different, the Avaya rom has a pata controller module while the Verzion rom like the Joggler does not
Attached are the reports from each rom in rtf format.

[pete]

This is great news!

I currently have an Ubuntu 12.10 build running on a Openpeak model (which originally was a Verizon) booting via an EFI start from a USB SSD stick then going over to the SSD ZIF PATA Drive. This right now is giving me some 24Gb of play space. That said though I was thinking of using a 32Gb PATA ZIF drive next.

I am guessing then loading up the Ayava ROM over to the Openpeak (old Verizon hub) then I should be able to boot EFI from the PATA ZIF drive eh michchip?

The motherboards are similiar except for the mini pcie slot in the Ayaya Openpeak 7e.

[roobarb!]

EFI rom differences.
The Verzion rom & the Avaya rom are slightly different, the Avaya rom has a pata controller module while the Verzion rom like the Joggler does not
Attached are the reports from each rom in rtf format.

I don't know if it's of any use to you guys, but I've been collecting EFI images from various OF1 (Joggler) and OF2 / OF7 devices for a while. They're all here if you want to explore them: http://birdslikewires.co.uk/download/op ... /firmware/

[Juggler]

EFI rom differences.
The Verzion rom & the Avaya rom are slightly different, the Avaya rom has a pata controller module while the Verzion rom like the Joggler does not
Attached are the reports from each rom in rtf format.

I don't know if it's of any use to you guys, but I've been collecting EFI images from various OF1 (Joggler) and OF2 / OF7 devices for a while. They're all here if you want to explore them: http://birdslikewires.co.uk/download/op ... /firmware/

Thanks for this roobarb! I wonder if it is possible to do some firmware hacking with all this ? I started to have a look at MMTool, which mickchip used to produce the reports, and came across all sorts of interesting BIOS stuff. I'm not sure, but did inaxeon make source code (or whatever he used to produce ) his alternate BIOS (SEABIOS) available ? I recall that the last thing he was working on was some table in there, but he seemed to be pleased with where he had got to.

Also, roobarb!, (bit off topic) do you have the Ubuntu 12.04 you stripped down for install to internal flash in the download area or could you make it available ? Or do you have some notes on how you created it ? I believe you used BuzZ's 12.04 base, but I may be wrong. It would be great if you do as it could be used as a base for other specialised Joggler OS's - I'm thinking about one for MAME and another as a CCTV/Home Security OS.

[roobarb!]

Also, roobarb!, (bit off topic) do you have the Ubuntu 12.04 you stripped down for install to internal flash in the download area or could you make it available ? Or do you have some notes on how you created it ? I believe you used BuzZ's 12.04 base, but I may be wrong. It would be great if you do as it could be used as a base for other specialised Joggler OS's - I'm thinking about one for MAME and another as a CCTV/Home Security OS.

I based a lot of the tweaks and fixes on BuZz's builds, but the build itself is from debootstrap, rather than stripping down BuZz's work.

Your best bet is to use SQPOSv2 for internal memory, then just delete /opt/squeezeplay and edit the ~/.xinitrc file to not try and load it. You are then left with a small, empty Ubuntu 12.04 that would be ideal for your plan. You'd need the kernel headers to compile stuff, but they are here.

[jimeney]

Also, roobarb!, (bit off topic) do you have the Ubuntu 12.04 you stripped down for install to internal flash in the download area or could you make it available ? Or do you have some notes on how you created it ? I believe you used BuzZ's 12.04 base, but I may be wrong. It would be great if you do as it could be used as a base for other specialised Joggler OS's - I'm thinking about one for MAME and another as a CCTV/Home Security OS.

I based a lot of the tweaks and fixes on BuZz's builds, but the build itself is from debootstrap, rather than stripping down BuZz's work.

Your best bet is to use SQPOSv2 for internal memory, then just delete /opt/squeezeplay and edit the ~/.xinitrc file to not try and load it. You are then left with a small, empty Ubuntu 12.04 that would be ideal for your plan. You'd need the kernel headers to compile stuff, but they are here.

The only thing I would add to this however is that I believe SQPOSv2 does not have Hardware Accelerated GMA500 support so you may not fare well playing back video (CCTV) or if you wanted to use something like XMBC or Plex, in which case SQPOSv1 might be the better base. Please correct me if I'm wrong however, as I'm looking to do a few similar things too.

[pete]

Thank-you roobarb!

Yup here on the Openpeak 7e's just did the "hot swap" of the little mini wireless combo bluetooth pcie card for Broadcom Crystal HD card for the 1080 streaming on my test board which is now in a number of pieces sprinkled all over my work bench. I did take another one apart which is kind of half assembled but is the one marked as a Joggler O2 on one of the heat shields and is missing a bunch of stuff on the main board (no DECT or Zigbee stuff on it). I was going to keep this board as a momento and use the pieces board inside of this Openframe 7 box.

I am now too streaming live SD TV stuff inside of the house using the GMA500 stuff; picture looks way more analog though than the 720HD picture.

[roobarb!]

The only thing I would add to this however is that I believe SQPOSv2 does not have Hardware Accelerated GMA500 support so you may not fare well playing back video (CCTV) or if you wanted to use something like XMBC or Plex, in which case SQPOSv1 might be the better base. Please correct me if I'm wrong however, as I'm looking to do a few similar things too.

It'll do fine playing back CCTV video - it's 3D and hardware accelerated decoding that are lost when using the kernel drivers. You'd need to be running a full desktop to notice the lack of OpenGL and the CPU will cope just fine with a bunch of SD streams.

[Berns]

Hi fellows.

I would like to run an attempt to get W8 or W8.1 on the O2 joggler.

I've been doing some reading over the last 2 weeks and became a SILENT fan of Roobarb, Pete and Mickchip (Amongst others)
Superformifantadastic work by the way !!!!

I have 2 questions before I would start my attempt:
1) Roobarb, can I use the joggler reflashing tool to flash my Joggler back into original after I equipped it with coreboot?
2) Pete, or do I have to use or preceed the above with the roms procedure (moving from shark to 02 splash) before using the tool of Roobarb?
The reason why I ask is: I would like to be able to go back to what I would call "factory default"
(The "factory default" being the flash tool "joggler_reflash_109", the O2 image "of1_30300_openpeak.img", and then the PmPIII "openpeak_12-06-14.img")

And as a bonus question: Does anybody have a procedure to backup a complete existing O2 joggler (with no hardware mod whatsoever) to be able to restore it entirely to the same state at later stage (after having experimented on it)
(I'm happy that Hawsey got his OS back, however I fancy the current state of one joggler I have and don't want to mess it up. It is at a slightly advanced state as compared to the above mentioned "factory default". I could back it up and restore it on the second Joggler I have. If that would work, then I would say we're pretty close to safe)

Once I've reduced the risk of not being able to roll back, the most important question to begin is:
A) Mickchip, if I understood everything well, it's a matter of first using the roms procedure (moving from 02 splash to shark) and putting a USB booting device in the side USB port of the joggler. On that stick needs to be a reduced set, called "jogglerwin.img". How do I get hold of this spectacular piece of work (or an even better update-maybe)?

I know there are people interested in a less tech-savvi doc on how to move a Joggler into Win8 and back into it's original state. I'm prepared to do the job of building and testing, while doing detailed doc.
I have a timeframe between 1st of August and 10th of August and a bunch of hardware ready to use (including 2 02 jogglers).

[pete]

Welcome to the forum Berns.

Pete, or do I have to use or preceed the above with the roms procedure (moving from shark to 02 splash) before using the tool of Roobarb?
The reason why I ask is: I would like to be able to go back to what I would call "factory default"
(The "factory default" being the flash tool "joggler_reflash_109", the O2 image "of1_30300_openpeak.img", and then the PmPIII "openpeak_12-06-14.img")

Yes. We are talking two different "things" here. The ROM mods exist on a 1Mb flash and the OS exists on a 1Gb MMC. The ROM flash will let you run Wintel off of the USB stick (modded to run wintel). Wintel runs the best from the PATA port on the O2 Joggler (which you need to solder on) or the included pata port on the OF1 which is way different than an O2 Joggler.

The O2 Joggler with no hardware mods will have a hard time with Windows 8.1. (this is my personal opinion).

I just shut off my testing with it as I couldn't get it skinny enough running off an SSD PATA connected drive. Its been a bit over a week ago that I shut it down. There are really no shortcuts to get W81 to run on the Joggler.

I could get it to run a bit with an SSD USB stick but it would only survive a couple of reboots.

The above noted you can install the coreboot bios rom on the O2 Joggler and go back to the original O2 Joggler rom very easily. It doesn't break your O2 Joggler. Have a read through the threads relating to the installation of the coreboot bios. You do not have to open up the O2 Joggler to install the ROM until you brick it.

The copy / removal of an SSD pata drive is just plugnplay. There is no science to it other than having to open up the case. I cannot get a Linux boot from the SSD drive with the current EFI boot rom. That said I went to putting the boot for the PATA drive on the first partition of the MMC memory and it works just fine for me. One known ROM does include the PATA port stuff though. (Verizon?).