Win 8.1 on joggler

[hawsey]

Mick, is this the sake Q1 that you have? I have my eye on it but the resolutions look different to what you said , does it look ok
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.vi ... 1381148403

[mickchip]

Yes thats the one, as long as it is being advertised correctly, by the way where its being sold from is about 3 to 4 miles from where I live.

Writing an image to a usb drive from a virtual machine, says 4% done 4hrs 29min to go.

[mickchip]

Good news & bad news
1 It is possible to boot 32bit EFI windows 8.1 from a usb drive. (GOOD NEWS)
2 I havn't managed to get it to work on the joggler as yet.

Picture shows my works Dell ST2 tablet, which is 32bit UEFI boot only after having booted off a usb hard drive.

Will keep trying.

[hawsey]

Keep up the good work Mick , an efi boot of this would be great , I didn't get that Q1 but will keep looking
I've just blown my gadget fund this month on a new version raspberry pi now tho ha ha .

[hawsey]

I have a volunteer / teacher for the Pata port mod ready and willing
I did a search but lots of stuff on different threads about this
Which pata port do I need to buy and where would I buy? Also are there any good photographs showing what we are doing
Cheers

[pete]

Gary,

I have sort of "settled" on the 15cm "flipped" ZIF PATA cable (thinking its 40 pins) with the "blue" ends. I had issues with the white and blue flipped cables as the white side was too thin for the ZIF connector on the SSD ZIF drive and the ZIF connector on the on the Joggler.

You can also now purchase a 32Gb ZIF SSD tiny drive instead of a16Gb or 8Gb drive.



You can fold the cable nice and neatly over the motherboard and put the ZIF SSD drive over the USB wireless dongle. I did one like this; BUT it got too warm for me; but did fit.

Note the picture shows the blue side up where as mine the blue side is down.



http://www.jogglerwiki.com/wiki/Adding_ ... _connector

Will post last picture of latest with both 16Gb SSD drive and an 8 Gb SSD USB drive (both fit fine) in the next day or so. This one is booting via EFI boot to main 16Gb drive partition.

[hawsey]

Cheers Pete is the heating the cable up in the oven the only way to get a pata connector? Are there none to buy?
Looking at the wiki I will deffo need help from my friend, wow those connections are tiny

[pete]

No. You can purchase them in bulk on Ebay; very reasonable in price.

Do a search for

FFC FPC 40-pin 0.5mm Pitch Ribbon Flat Connector Socket ZIF HDD

[hawsey]

Thanks Pete will get one of those if I can buy one

[pete]

Mickchip,

You got me thinking about another little Joggler project. The very first Openframe 7 device I have is literally in pieces having been extracted from the Openframe 7 case. I haven't looked at it in months now.

The board, LCD, speakers, microphone and heat sink are tiny.

Thinking now of adding a pata port and SD card port on this one as the traces are there....looking at it just noticed I did solder a pata port on it...but never tested it....for whatever reasons....

I have a second one in pieces still with an intact case from when I learned to disassemble them. That said I want to keep that one cuz it appears to be an O2 testing machine with a bunch of stuff removed from the motherboard and marker written on it labeling it O2.

The above said I could probably take the guts of the primary working Openframe 7 and put those in the case of the O2 test box and have one intact updated (modded hardwarewise) Openframe 7.

[pete]

Found the Openframe 7 in pieces. I had left it like that. Yesterday removed anything connected to it. I noticed that I scratched the LCD screen; not really sure how.

Disconnected the speakers, microphone, ZIF cable, LCD such that I could have a better look at it.

Interesting that there is a DECT plastic connector on the mother board; never noticed that before.

My eyes got a bit buggy after looking at it for a time with the big circular magnifying glass.

Only connection / wires left is the power red and black wire from the motherboard to the little board with the ZIF connector, power connector, audio and USB port on it. Its soldered in place and has hot melt glue on it.

I have lost track though of what I did to this board as its been a long time. I did bust the little mini pci card bracket on it. That was my fault for rushing in play with it. The mini pci socket is melted a bit. Thinking its still functional cuz I had left a piece of painters tape on it to hold down the little pci card in place.

[pete]

mickchip,

Found a Q1 with a 900Mhz Celeron and 512Mb of memory. Is this one OK to get? What would be a good price for it? (is less than $100 OK?)

I also found a generic ECS one and I think that one has a 1.2Ghz Intel; more options and cheaper (also brand new old stock).

[mickchip]

The Q1 is a 900mhz Celeron, and as far as I know can only have 1gb memory. Never had one but you should be be able to get a Q1 Ultra for less than $100
The Q1 was the original UMPC from Samsung, the Ultra is the second generation and is way better.

[pete]

Yeah; I see that the Samsung NP-Q1-V000-SEA is the 900Mhz Celeron. I know nothing about this one; but it comes with 512Mb of memory and it looks to be only expandable to 1Gb. It is for $85 USD. It doesn't have the little keyboards on the top next to the display. Found a SAMSUNG NP-Q1U Q1 ULTRA 800Mhz for $79. This one comes with 1Gb of ram. It has the little keyboards. Is this expandable to to 2Gb of ram?

I don't know what the ECS one is but its cheaper even still at $49 and its brand new. Trying to figure out whether its a 1Ghz Pentium M or 900 Mhz Celeron. Looks to be only expandable to 1Gb ram only. This one looks to have come out before the Samsung in 2006. It comes with a bunch of stuff.



http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWebSite/Produc ... 93&LanID=0

[mickchip]

I would definitely go for the Q1 Ultra, easy enough to install win8, leopard, android ICS & Ubuntu.
In fact virtually anything will install and its easy to upgrade to 2gb, SSD, 3G ETC.
Also if you think win8.1 on the joggler is usable it fly's on the Q1U & the tiles work with downscaling.

[pete]

Thank-you mickchip.

Then I will get an 800Mhz Q1 Ultra (or 1.2Ghz Intel one if I can find it) with 1Gb of internal memory.

[mickchip]

If we lived in the same country we could have done a swap. Openframe 7 for a Q1 Ultra, I have three of them now.

[bluesign2k]

I've had my Q1U (A110 800 MHz) from it's original release and have to agree with mickchip that it's (still) an excellent piece of kit. If I could find a Q1UP I'd buy it, buy I certainly wouldn't consider going for the original Q1.

I can't remember reading whether it's already been pointed out, but there were numerous versions of the Q1U. Some just had different connectivity options, but more importantly, it was sold with two different processors - the A110 which ran at 800 MHz and the A100 which only ran at 600 MHz. The difference is noticeable, don't bother with the A100. If you're daring, you can also easily overclock the A110, for a long time I ran mine at 900+ MHz

Although I haven't put an SSD in mine, nor Windows 8.1, it still runs Windows XP, XP MCE and 7 really well, but it's almost essential to do the 2GB RAM upgrade. Mine originally came with Vista and it runs that ok too unless you get trigger happy with installing stuff. Over the years I've also had it running Ubutnu and Mint too.

The other thing I'd highly recommend doing is replacing the Atheros Wifi card that it came with (assuming if/when you get one that that hasn't already been done). I had no end of problems with it and saw a massive performance increase after swapping it to an Intel 4965AGN (about £5 on ebay these days). The Atheros card problems are well documented and caused long periods of holding the CPU at 100%... which sporadically caused it to be unusable as well as eating the battery. If you do this then you can also grab come extra antennas and make use of the wireless n functionality. I actually went one step further and fitted an SMA connector for an external antenna into the unused TV aerial hole (yeh, some were sold with TV tuners too) since it was only covered with a rubber stopper. I've attached some rather blurry images of this... but you get the idea.

Anyway, since this isn't really on-topic I'll leave it there...

[pete]

Thanks Guys!

I am "dated" a bit with this stuff.

Just a few years ago sold my very old Panasonic CF-1. It was mostly IBM looking, small and could bounce off cement with a 3-4 foot drop.

Always tinkering here though (keeps the brain functioning functioning).

@mickchip

We can probably do a swap. I am guessing that you will be staying at least one night in Miami / Fort Lauderdale, FL before your cruise.

@ bluesign2k

Thank-you. So yup read somewhere about overclocking the A110 to over a 1Ghz and that it works better with 2Gb of RAM. So far what I am seeing out there are well worn and used Ultra's; such that they were or had become "tools of the trade". Sounds like all of them had resistive touchscreens and they came with a stylus for best functions.


.... tangent note.....Here I played with "light pens" concurrently with the first CRT touchscreens in the early 1990's. Children had their own touchscreen CRTs (my tinkering with work stuff at the time) and they were great learning tools; mostly relating to touch, sound and colors and shapes back then.

[mickchip]

Pete
I will be at the Intercontinental at Doral Miami ( Address: 2505 NW 87th Ave, Doral, FL 33172, United States ) on 28th March at about 5:00 PM
Leaving the following morning at approx midday to go to the port at Fort Lauderdale.
Let me know if you would like to do a swap and I will bring one with me. It is an 800mhz NP-Q1UR000/SUK 80gb hard disk, cameras front & back,
wifi, Bluetooth, sd card reader. you can also add a mini-pcie 3g card and a data sim.

On a different note, after seeing your Digital Engine I have just bought this off ebay

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/281283038758? ... 1497.l2649