PNPIII - trying to get NAS mounted for LMS - SUCCESS!!

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Hi all,

This is Albert from the Netherlands... I've been reading a lot about the Joggler, and also been trying to make it to do what I want.
I recently bought a new-in-box Joggler of a guy in NL who flashed it with PNP III for me.

I already know that you can do almost everything with, if you only know how to talk to the thing, programme-language-wise..
I see people talking about command line etc. but I don't even know on how to get there??
Fact is that I know absolutely nothing of Linux/Ubuntu whatever

Anyway; this is what I want
- Joggler running Logitech Media Server
- play media from my NAS (Seagate BlackArmor 110 2TB)
- don't want to install LMS on the NAS (should it even be possible)
- output sound via USB DAC
- if its possible it would be nice to keep the apps but that is not necessary.

But a few questions arise:
1. on PNPIII there is a program Squeezeplay. This is only the player right?
2. when I access it via <IP-address:9000> title says "Logitech Media Server", so is it or is it not the server or is it the client?
3. If its the server; why can't I make my NAS work via settings?? I pointed out the IP address of my NAS but because of the message I get I suspect the Joggler now only has the client installed?
4. I think of the configuration:
- LMS on an usb-stick (from BirdsLikeWires)
- USB DAC
but since there is only one available port: can I just plug in a hub without coding etc, to connect stick with OS and DAC?
5. I could solder an extra USB port but my soldering qualitys aren't that good so I'd rather stay away from that option for safety reasons.
7. Or is it better to flash Squeezeplay OS instead of PNP-III? For that can run music of my NAS right?

Pffft there are so many options that I really need advice and guidance of guys/girls that know what they are doing, and from all my reading I see a lot of those on this board.. Would someone be so kind to help me what is te best option for me

Edit: I am reading the PNPIII quickstart Guide and it appears to be possible to mount a network share? I don't recall that from my menu so I guess I have an older version then 3.31.. Will check tonight..

[JimbobVFR400]

I'll reply with more detail later but do you use WiFi at all? If not you can access a 2nd USB slot with no soldering needed. You can either install your USB stick you run SqPOS from internally or make a hole in the back case for a USB lead to go through.

[gegs]

Some answers to your questions:

The PnP III default install will have Squeezeplay and Logitech Media Server installed. When you access <IP-address:9000> you're looking at the web interface of LMS, not the Squeezeplay app.

Hubs are fine. Don't use a powered one if you don't need to; some people have reported white screen errors when using a powered hub.

It's possible to change the sound interface to USB (or back to internal) from the Joggler itself using a script in the SWF Launcher program.

If you use the Squeezeplay OS bootable USB stick version, you will only have Squeezeplay for that session, but you can power down, remove the USB stick and power on again to get all the PnP III apps back again; nothing is lost permanently. I use a Squeezeplay OS Joggler attached to my hi-fi because it has Shairport and means my kids can Airplay music from their iPods to the hi-fi. Pretty cool! The server for my Squeezeplay OS Joggler runs on a PnP III Joggler in my kitchen - the best of both worlds.

I think it's best to run Squeezeplay OS from a USB stick, not flash it to the Joggler, particularly if you want to access and index a NAS. This is because there is potentially more space for your music database on a USB stick. You can also install LMS on Squeezeplay OS if you want to; there's a tool to do so in the program interface. You also have to install Shairport this way too because it's not installed by default.

PnP III Squeezeplay doesn't have Shairport which may influence the version of Squeezeplay you'd like to use on a daily basis. Because you won't lose anything by doing so, I stongly suggest trying them both.

@ JimbobVFR400 - Is that you scaring noobs with talk of internal mounting and case modifications when all they need is a USB hub?

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I'll reply with more detail later but do you use WiFi at all? If not you can access a 2nd USB slot with no soldering needed. You can either install your USB stick you run SqPOS from internally or make a hole in the back case for a USB lead to go through.

well now i'm using Wifi yes, but already thought (?) of that.. seems like an easy option.
Only thing is

I am at home now, I discovered my PNPIII version is 3.101. So I need to update that to 3.31... I'm going to look into that on how to do that.
Because now I lack the option to "mount existing network share"

@ Gegs thanks for your answer, I'm gonna reed it carefully.

Some re-anwers:
1 ok thanx, clarified
2 hub: ok clarified
3 came across that option in swf launcher and als discovered it in Joggler webserver

But since PNP III is a Media Server and I can mount my NAS, what (for my case) is the need to run Squeezeplay OS? Or do I understand it wrong?

[gegs]

But since PNP III is a Media Server and I can mount my NAS, what (for my case) is the need to run Squeezeplay OS? Or do I understand it wrong?

You only need to run Squeezeplay OS if you want to use it as an Airplay receiver for Apple iOS devices. I think it can also play WMA files (through an addon in its own version of LMS) which I don't think PnP III's LMS can transcode (although I may be wrong on this point).

You'd need to find another way of mounting your NAS if you wanted to use Squeezeplay OS; obviously the PnP III web server method wouldn't work. I'm not sure how to do it with SqpOS because I've never tried.

P.S. When I said it was best to run Squeezeplay OS from a stick, I didn't mean it was the best version of Squeezeplay; I meant that if you were going to use SqpOS it was better to run it from a stick that to flash it to the Joggler's internal memory (IMHO). Which version of Squeezplay you choose is really down to how you'd like to use it. They're both good and I use them both.

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Trying to update my version of PNP III.

I formatted a stick, and tried to 'win32diskimage' the Openpeak 30300 files onto it.. (together with MD5 file)
However after copying size of all files on the stick was 5 MB or so?? That can't be right? Win32diskimager said all was OK and succesfull...

When I check the properties of the stick is 61MB?? did I wreck the stick?

hmm.. on the lookout for another stick now..

[pete]

Related if you do choose to utilize the wireless USB port for a USB stick; I used the Kingspec SSD sticks and they were a bit quicker than a regular (?) stick. They were big though. I removed the plastic case from them and used the SSD USB stick in the same manner you see the USB Wireless stick (if you open up your Joggler).

Quickie step by step on opening your Joggler (go baby steps here).

1 - Remove the label in the back.
2 - You will see a few screws there.
3 - Remove the screws.
4 - using a plastic credit card start to open the shell one side at a time doing both sides slowly to the top of the case.
5 - you will hear little sounds relating to the plastic clips releasing; do it slowly and the two halves of the Joggler will be apart such that you can see the inside.
6 - gently tip the front of the screen down and have a look inside. Careful here as there are a bunch of wires plugged into the Joggler motherboard that go to the LCD screen. There is some play in the wires and they are taped down with the yellow tape maybe.
7 - To the left you will see the USB wireless stick with two small antennas one connected to either side of the wireless stick.
8 - if you remove the USB wireless stick you can use a small screwdriver to remove the adhesive that holds the little antennas there are on the left side and top side of the inside of the case.

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Pete, thanks for description!

I'm confused by this:
http://birdslikewires.co.uk/articles/jogglerflash

IT says with step 2 (flashing alternative OS):
"Copy both the .img.gz and .img.gz.md5 files to the reflash directory on rfl-boot. You do not require the Reflash Script or any OpenPeak files blabla"

Other then just copying to just the Y:\ (instead of "Y:\some-sort-of-directory" ) I can't think of it meaning anything else? Or am i wrong?

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decided to just take the dive and plug in the stick and boot the joggler..
It now stands for like 15 min on the opening screen, displaying just O2.. Do I need to wait any longer (does that make sense?)

Suppose first option is to try another stick to see if that does work?

Edit: Hm it just boots as if there is no stick plugged in at all..
Does it HAVE to be formatted as FAT32 or would FAT do as well?

[pete]

I format the stick first with the HP USB stick format tool to FAT32. That said when you write the IMG it will reformat the USB stick again writing the image to the stick.

Do the image thing again with the same stick. Follow the step by step below.

When you make up your flash USB stick there is a directory there named accordingly (reflash).

It is a fat USB stick. Look at the directory and you will not see anything in it. You need to put the image files in the directory.

Yup; it will just sit there with no image to install if there is nothing in the directory.

So you:

1 - Download this: http://birdslikewires.co.uk/download/jo ... 109.img.gz
2 - write the IMG file to a usb stick with whatever. Note in wintel you unzip the GZ such that you have an IMG file.
3 - Here you have the choice of:
A - download the reflash script and copy it to the reflash directory and download the original openpeak O2 image also copying it to the reflash directory
or
B - download just the Openpeak firmware v30300 and MD5 file and copy that to the reflash directory - nothing else
4 - boot with the USB stick and watch your Joggler screen. The script will shut down your Joggler when complete.
5 - its fun to watch but can take a while; have some coffee and come back a few minutes later.

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Pete, Thanks for the detailed description!

First, using HPTools, reformatted the stick to FAT32, its now 8 GB again..
I flashed the stick with joggler_reflash and hurray! I now have the folder reflash.

With next step, option B you mean
copy the "of1_30300_openpeak.img" file to the reflash folder, together with accompanying MD5 file right?

[pete]

Yes. Formatting the stick gives you just a clean formatted stick.

I reread my above stuff and corrected it. Make sure that your OS doesn't rename the downloaded files.

Make sure that the names match such that your reflash directory has:

1 - of1_30300_openpeak.img.gz
2 - of1_30300_openpeak.img.gz.md5

You should be good to go then.

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ok thanx, I had the unpacked 30300 file so I corrected it.

Will try tonight, I'll let you know.

thanks for the help again!

[pete]

Yeah; please let me know how it goes.

Personally I saw issues with the methodologies of the way the OS's would save the files was one thing.

I also saw some weird stuff happening with the various wintel programs that wrote IMG files to USB sticks.

The above noted I have played so much with the various on flash this or that; that I do not pay attention anymore. IE: that and I keep flipping from wintel to linux to wintel to linux doing this and that.

Decided and redid my play workbench machine such that it now alway boots to Linux or Wintel. Before I would just go to my laptop running linux or another desktop running linux. That and now doing much more stuff in vivo on the 16gb Joggler II Ubuntu build; easier with 16gb of play space.

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well, I succeeded in installing PNP III on the Joggler... feeling proud of myself to do such a simple job.
After all it wasn't that hard, there were a few things I just didn't understand.

Now let's try to access the NAS via LMS..

[offbeatdave]

Whoop whoop! Glad to hear another successful PnP III reflash has occured!

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Hm think I was to soon to be happy..

I messed around with trying to mount the NAS. In the guide I saw to reboot the Joggler so in the webserver I chose the reboot option but nothing happened. So I pulled the plug. USB stick was already removed after succesful reflash with PNPIII.
But now with booting it just sits at O2 logo for some 30 minutes. Initial reflashing with PNPIII was done in 5 minutes or so..
So pulled the plug again, inserted the stick again and tried to reboot again. But same story, sits for 15 minutes now with nothing but O2 logo..

I already had to flash it two times because the first time not all apps and stuff was copied. 2nd time all went well..

So i'm gonna retry, reflash it again with Firmware 30300 and then another install of PNP III.

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OK did everything again, got it up and running again (but again had to flash it two times to get all the apps and stuff??)..
And again it goes wrong with trying to get my NAS mounted. I fill in it's IP-address, the shared directory, and no username and password. I get the message that its mounted, Media Server said it needed restarting so I decided to pull the plug and reboot it. But now it again hangs at the O2 starting logo grrrr..
What am I doing wrong??

edit: after I succesfully installed PNPIII I rebooted the Joggler to see if everything went ok and it did..

[offbeatdave]

I found I had to set up an additional user and password on my network storage for LMS to pick it up. It didn't like leaving blanks.

It also sounds like you have a temperamental Joggler regarding rebooting. Use the SWF Launcher to shutdown. Leave it a minute or two before powering up again. They don't like fast power off-on cycles.

If you need to restart LMS then you can do this from SWF Launcher too I believe.

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Jeah tried that yesterday (via SWF) and ended up with deleting a command line??

Well had to reflash again so that should be sorted now..

I already thought of making a new user so for LMS:
- I made a new user in my NAS; both name and password = Joggler

So i set IPaddress = 192.168.0.13
Share = Muziek (in Dutch)
User = Joggler
Passw = Joggler

But the weel keeps turning but nothing happens.. Am I doing something wrong here??