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Stock os : USB or HDD boot.

Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:08 am
by hawsey
Would it be possible to boot a version of the stock OS straight off a USB stick or HDD in the same way we are doing this for Mint, Joli , Android , XP etc ?
I am wanting to do this so as not to be constrained by the memory of the Joggler itself when installing Games / Apps etc on to the stock os :D
I had a feeling this had allready been covered or tried but i can't for the life of me find the thread
Thanks in advance

Happy Joggling

Re: Stock os : USB or HDD boot.

Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 12:05 pm
by cbredfred
The question has been asked, but never produces an answer:

http://www.jogglerwiki.com/forum/viewto ... ?f=2&t=259

Re: Stock os : USB or HDD boot.

Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:37 pm
by verg0
There will be a way but its out of my scope, if however you wanted to get more free space to fit a few extra apps on your device its now possable to resize the main partition to arround 600mb to give you about 400mb free space!

thanks mickchip: http://www.jogglerwiki.com/forum/viewto ... ?f=2&t=405

Re: Stock os : USB or HDD boot.

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:29 am
by roobarb!
I believe that the O2 OS kernel is not built with the appropriate support for booting from USB. Can't replace the kernel because we can't recompile some of the modules on which other components rely (no source code).

Your best bet would be to investigate chainloading with GRUB, but bootloaders are definitely not my specialist topic and there is a distinct possibility I'm talking rubbish there. In fact, I think I well may be - if GRUB triggered loading of the O2 OS, it would still need to support accessing the device on which it was held, which I believe it wouldn't be able to do.

I have had the O2 UI running without its underlying OS using a modified version of BuZz's script from this thread (in fact, it was verg0 who started that one!). The problem is that lots of apps simply stop working; including many components of the Settings app, so configuration becomes a command-line job. It was then that I had to question what the point of doing it was - I had a system that was essentially a launcher with very few working apps, that was tricky to configure and had everything written in Flash. Nasty. :?

Less work to recreate the whole thing in HTML & CSS and run a kiosk browser. In fact, a bit of that is already done with the Little App Launcher, which gives a lookalike web interface.

Re: Stock os : USB or HDD boot.

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:46 pm
by gegs
I had a feeling this was more difficult than it appeared, otherwise somebody smarter than me on these forums would have done it already. My wife prefers the stock OS but I'd have liked to run it from a stick - in the hope that it might give my discontinued Joggler a little bit extra life.

Oh well! If the stock OS goes belly up, she'll have to learn to use one of the other excellent distros on the forum.

On a slightly different tack, would it be possible to run some of the stock OS apps on Ubuntu / Mint / JoliOS?
Squeezeplay looks and functions the same on these distros as it does on the stock OS, so my wife could cope with that, but we'd all miss spoyser's excellent iPlayer and Youtube apps.

Re: Stock os : USB or HDD boot.

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 5:46 pm
by roobarb!
gegs wrote:On a slightly different tack, would it be possible to run some of the stock OS apps on Ubuntu / Mint / JoliOS?
Squeezeplay looks and functions the same on these distros as it does on the stock OS so my wife could cope with that, but we'd all miss spoyser's excellent iPlayer and Youtube apps.
Yup, if you follow the thread I linked to in my previous post, it is possible. As I said, though - some things won't work (and it still actually runs the OS from the internal flash, IIRC).

A cunning plan would be to copy the contents off onto a USB stick containing Ubuntu / JoliOS / Mint and then delete the app components that don't work. You could then use Joli or another system to manage the network settings and run the O2 UI as a second interface, over the top of the first. A 'quit' app would probably then come in handy. ;)

It would take a little fiddling to set up, but it might be useful.

Re: Stock os : USB or HDD boot.

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:19 pm
by gegs
It's only the iPlayer and Youtube apps I'd really miss but they'd probably need to run windowed or have a 'quit' app as you say.

I'll have a go at this some time soon but if anybody has tried running the stock OS versions in Ubuntu before, let me know. I don't want to waste too much time flogging dead horses (been there, done that).

Re: Stock os : USB or HDD boot.

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:33 pm
by hawsey
Ahaaaa now I understand ( sort of) thanks for the reply :-)
Happy Joggling

Re: Stock os : USB or HDD boot.

Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:21 am
by verg0
yeah, it does sound better to recreate the whole thing in HTML & CSS but then run this on a distro that has a html compatable desktop (maybe kde with Plasma) anyone know?