O2 Joggler Forum

a fine wine that is still not at its most potent lol

to this point, i am currently configuring the build, installing ie8 and an updated wmp

Good stuff. Looking forward to getting my hands on that new build.

Talking of wines, I tried nic drivers of various vintages, including the one that pete had success with on the XP builds, but they all taste like vinegar to me. No extra stuff listed in the device manager and a big fat exclamation mark and invalid address error in the event log. ubuntu sees and uses the nic, so I don't have to get aggro with the eBay seller.

I will at some point pull both of the jogglers open and see what's different and I should see if I can figure out if the firmware is different and flash the good one over the bad.

For the time being, I have set up an ad hoc wifi connection between the two jogglers so that they share a single Ethernet connection. Not ideal and not reliable either although my laptop connects with no problem. Connectify and .NET installs on the good Joggler, but the service doesn't start and the wifi hardware isn't seen.

I wonder if other users of tiny xp have had similar issues with the network? I'd still like to get my head around making a full-fat build of xp for the Joggler. Is it a case of following the USBoot how-to and then replacing the boot files with eric's, adding the efi partition, etc?

Mevi,

Its very hit or miss getting it to boot with the internal NIC. It remains an issue to be resolved.

I have the WLAN card removed on one of the Jogglers. My preference will be to run the Joggler with the Internal USB SSD card and no wireless.

I've attached pictures showing version of NIC driver. I started to play though with unplugging and plugging in the NIC; way too much of a manual effort. Try cold booting it a couple of times without the cable plugged in. See if the driver loads. After the driver loads and you are in the desktop GUI try then to plug the cable; it'll either lock up or get a DHCP address. If it locks up try it again from a cold boot. I'm currently testing one Joggler connected to a Gb switch. I do though have three Jogglers online via their internal NICs; been on now 24/7 for the last week or so.

yeah the nic is still being a bitch, and ubuntu is not as fussy as windows for hardware, the fact windows is so fussy makes it a pain to work on aswell lol

Hmm. Strange. I've tried cold booting with and without Ethernet attached. I'll keep digging!! I opened this joggler up and it's a RTL8111C. I won't dick about with the firmware until after I have a new image to test with.... A USB ethernet adaptor is only £3 on ebay.

Back to the fully working Joggler, booting off an external HDD with it's WIFI still in place:
With the NIC disabled in device manager before shutting down, the fully working joggler warm/cold boots & reboots with an ethernet cable attached. When back to the desktop, enabling the NIC in device manager initialises the HW, connects to the router, gets an IP and is ready to use. I'll pull the WIFI out of that Joggler tomorrow, boot from the internal port & I'll automate the disable/enable with batch files using devcon and report back.

I'm busy expanding my understanding of USBoot. I've got a install disk of XP MCE 2005 as well as vanilla XP in my big box of disks along with a few other versions of windows. (rubs hands together).

yeah usboot is relatively easy to use. if you get a windows working be sure to share with the community mevi, would be awesome to get another perspective of what windows should be on the joggler!

and re mce, i dont think mce will work with such a low resolution, would ned to hacked a lil bit to get it fully operational

Mevi; then you did get the Joggler to work on the network with some fiddling?

Yes; with MCE; its not the base OS of XP; but rather the display / other drivers while in MCE that cause some issues. I have a small AOpen mini PC with a quad core that I use for MCE connected to the LCD TV in the family room. Lately I just want to turn on the box and watch a movie; point A to point B quickly as possible. So instead utilizing a modded Patriot Box Office (chrooted a bit); has a 1TB drive in it an plays everything with no issues. It boots up the movie directory; no frills basic and I just hit the play button.

The AOpen mini PC is using a miniPCIE very small digital tuner and I could not get it to work properely in W7 Ultimate and only get it to work some in the MCE2005 in MCE interface. It really all relates to the DRM on their stuff.

Hmm, the resolution hadn't even crossed my mind. That or any other MCE under the bonnet stuff.

Joggler 1 works just fine - that's the one that happily reboots without any unplugging if I disable the NIC at shutdown and re-enable after restart.

Joggler 2 is OK apart from the NIC exclamation mark (error 10) like yourself and others have encountered. Swapping boot disks, the problem stays with that joggler. There's something different about that Joggler that is probably outside my level of HW/firmware knowledge aside from reading numbers off the mainboard and chips. Windows reports all the HW IDs, etc the same on both jogglers. I briefly considered popping open the EFI chip covers and swapping them between the Jogglers. I'm the winning bidder on a Belkin USB ethernet adaptor, so maybe not.

I'll go with the next FoShiz release for the fully working Joggler as the current one does a lot of what I need with some tweaks. As I've got a spare Joggler, I think I'll start work on a full-fat version of XP and work backwards from there and I will of course share with the community! This is a lot of fun.

OT: I've got an Acer Revo HTPC stuck to the back of the TV for all my media consumption. Mostly from the browser as Boxee, et al get a bit broken when the source websites make changes. Hulu desktop is nice though. I subscribe to a VPN service so my overseas content is sorted. I've considered getting a satellite network tuner to pipe TV across the home network.

I have identical images running today on the three Jogglers. Two are using external generic 8Gb flash sticks on the side with the WLAN cards inside and one is using the USB SSD stick inside (just the bare bone stick as it wouldn't fit until I busted it out of the case.

They are all behaving the same. I never really looked at the serial / model numbers on them or on the boards. I had a bit of a time keeping the wire clusters taped such that they don't get crimped when closing the case. I did leave the one Joggler with the USB SSD drive "open" for about a week or so.

Something different though is I never really ssw the offset of the screen (maybe once or twice only).

Kind of speed testing an application which I use. The base runs on Linux or Android or Wintel and the configuration is done remotely and identical for the three operating systems. I do have TTS Neospeech fonts installed and it does well; basic setup with just Java, Flash and Silverlight. Right now though from boot to Application; Buzz's Ubuntu is winning the speed race. (no silverlight though). I keep one Joggler on my home office desk. Next to it is a Liliput 8" TS connected via a first gen single core Atom CPU PC in a microfootprint case running XPSP3. I use benchmark each of these to each other using the same applications. Only difference is that the Liliput Touchscreen is resistive versus capacitance and the display is 800X600 versus 800X480 on the Joggler. I haven't had time to "play" though lately; just looking more.

Winter is approaching fast here in the Midwest and yesterday just finished rehanging some shutters. Oddest thing; birds have been building nests behind them and pulling and breaking the mounting brackets. The 2nd story shutters are most difficult to fix cuz they are on brick and I have to fix them while on a 24ft ladder (no fun). I have to utilize a "hammer drill" for the cement; kind of difficult to balance while on the ladder. Today here its cold and rainy; not conducive to working outside.

So for the time being leaving the Joggler "stuff" to Dan sir joggler wintel ("obi wan kenobi").

The last of my batchelor pads had squirrels in the loft. Eek eek eek. I was going to have them, er killed, but when it came to it, I got soft and left them for the next tenant to deal with.

The serial numbers on mine are 800 or so apart. Time for a revision, perhaps. The mainboard on the one with the broken nic has (c) 2008 on it. I thought the Joggler was older than that. Performance wise, I think the Joggler is very capable as long as the boot media is quick. The joggler atom is clocked just a little lower than my netbook with Win 7 and 1GB RAM. My PC at work until recently ran xp with a crappy celeron and 512MB ram. Both manage the full version of Windows without any slimming down and they are ok in use. I see the only benefit to stripping out components of Windows is the reduced disk space - a consideration when flash booting, but I've only ever been disappointed with 'gaming' or other performance builds of Windows. Better to set undesirable services to manual so that they are there to work when you might need them.

Yes; 4 Gb for a function XP SP3 OS isn't shabby.

Here all functions (computer et al) of the infrastructure of the home are related to WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor).

BTW for the Chumbys for USB NIC's I use the Trendnets and those little skinny white with thin cable Apple/Mac USB to Nic devices. Way smaller footprint than the Trendnet USB to NIC device.

I switch between the Netbook (Asus) and my old core duo HP. The netbook is a good traveling PC. Funny cuz I can literally hear the CPU whining in the core duo HP when it changes speeds. Gets really hot though.

I don't see a date on the backs of my Jogglers. I do notice an IMEI number. I always thought that those referenced a cell phone as that's the only place I remember seeing an IMEI number.

yeah stripping out for size as well as a better boot time, a full windows installation would take about 4 minutes to boot, as the stripped versions i use boot in less than 2 on my stick. the newer versions are not so stripped and as such will probably come in at 4 gig for download, this can be reduced if i remove the free space inside the c drive inside the image, but that then removes the write and go aspect as you will have to resize the partitions once download has finished.

Maybe I just need to accept this aint a PC and my expectations are too high!!

Not a problem to resize the partitions if it makes the download smaller.

I remember the Core and Core 2 had that whine - my C2D HP isn't affected, but I remember reading up on it and there is a bios setting to disable the C speed steps which may stop that at the expense of battery.

Winning bid of 99p for a Belkin USB Ethernet adaptor, unused.

im just trying to squeeze as much juice out of that 1.33ghz as i an lol

ha ha, yes and a great job you've done. A week or 2 ago, I didn't even know for sure it could be done. Just that video of Eric's Joggler booting XP some months ago to suggest it had been done, but with a comment that the process wouldn't be shared.

Right now I'm installing XP Pro SP3 on a virtual machine before I sleep and I'll get to work on it with great enthusiasm tomorrow.

Good luck mevi, And there is no such thing as too high expectations lol

I'm still wondering what happened to the 4 USB SSD sticks I ordered. About 2 weeks ago now I got a message about a delay; and nothing yet.

The one I did get was well packaged in small metal jewelery like cases.

Funny cuz I removed it from its plastic case within an hour of its installation such that I could fit it inside of the Joggler.