O2 Joggler Forum

I agree with you relating to W2003 embedded versus XPE as my W2003 lite desktops are much more efficient than the XP SP3 ones.

I was just comparing most recent XPE (like for Point of Sale stuff) compared to the W2003 Embedded server I have seemed a bit faster; but it was built on an Intel Atom (so I am mixing apples and oranges here).

The build date though on the W2003 embedded I have is 2003? or so. But it has no monitor and I only have accessed it via RDP or VNC. It is fast considering what its running on though.

The endeavor to get to W2003 embedded is fine for me.

Lol i have said before that using it is not that exciting but making the joggler do stuff it shouldn't is what excites me, its all a learning curve anyway but but now people use my images i feel a duty to make them the best joggler windows there is

Funny you mention that because personally I get the most thrill from getting there; much like solving a puzzle; once done; moving on to the next puzzle.

I've always been like that and lately keeps me younger in my old age. lol.

Yes it is very much of a learning curve.

The Joggler as it is with the ability to switch from Ubuntu to Android to MS on the fly makes it one of a kind. I don't know of any other piece of hardware (not VM's) that I can do this with.

HI All,
so i managed to create a bootable image of the re posted image ( thanks guys )
It manages to get right to the desktop with the on screen keyboard / a wizard saying a re start is required and another saying not al drivers were installed, there also is what looks like a roman helmet with?????? After it in the taskbar.
My problem is that the touch screen isnt responding so it just sits there, i left it for about 20 mins, then when you kill the power and re boot it doesn't get back to the desktop and the image is goosed so i did the image again and exactly the same, anybody else having this issue or do you all have hubs with keyboard/mouse plugged in?
Any ideas
Gary

Hey, first post!! Hello everyone.

I've been using the latest image for a day now. It's pretty slow on my 16GB Lexar 25MB/s memory stick. Ubuntu flies in comparison, but I really want to persevere with Windows as I don't really have the time to hack AND learn a different OS AND have a family.

A few issues I'm having (sorry for my first post to sound like I'm complaining, cos really I'm not):

The autologin of username "Server2003" does so without a password, which makes network shares problematic. I'm not able to access the user accounts to remedy this as the snap in has a red cross and cannot be accessed due to "an unknown error". The firewall also doesn't start due to "an unknown error".

VNC worked for a while, but it seems there are network problems that have manifested themselves after a few power cycles as I can't connect - The VNC error is not related to VNC, but to a lower level network "problem" says a google search.

I also can't connect to a PPTP VPN. I suspect for the same reasons.

I've used nlited versions of XP in the past, but I've found that all sorts of problems crop up further down the line. I've investigated USBoot as a way of getting Windows on the Joggler before. Is there a how-to that I can experiment with my own XP/2003 builds?

Thanks to Dan and all of you for this hard work. Awesome.

hawsey,

Try rebooting it a few times. Last night I was testing the W2003 image on a microdrive plugged into a 7 port USB hub (not powered) with a wireless Lenova Keyboard. Booted fine. It did request a reboot after all of the drivers loaded. A few days back I did the same with an 8Gb Kingston memory stick. Yes; with first boot; its attempting to run a script on its own; I haven't though let the script run as I would get control of the screen after a few minutes. After a couple of reboots I removed the script / applications from the start up.

Mevi

I didn't have issues connecting to network shares during my testing last night. It requested a login/password; I put that info in and was able to get to the shares. Attempted to install any version of IE with no luck; SP1 with no luck and SP2 with no luck.

How to is in the pipeline, just a little busy at present. And all the issues with networking, if you open the helpful tools folder on the desktop, you can enable all the services that have been stopped, try this and reboot a few times. I do not know if this will fix it but its worth a try..

And the script I put in to install drivers for touch at boot, though just removing it from the startup folder will stop it running

also in the helpful tools folder is a program for enabling full hw acceleration, which might be useful

Forgot all about that folder lol

Thanks Dan,

I'll have another look through the folders on the desktop and report back. The HW acceleration app I found yesterday and used with no noticable difference in performance.

Touch worked fine after i updated the driver. In fact, very little didn't work. This is a great job. It's been my experience that W7 doesn't particularly like network shares without passwords.

I tried to boost performance by imaging a netbook docking station with internal optical drive & HDD that I've sucessfully booted Ubuntu off. It would not boot W2003 for me... drive access light flickered but booted to internal OS. Will investigate that a bit more. I've already discovered that the USB hub chipset that it uses is not compatible with Linux and the optical drive is not seen.

Using a generic unpowered hub, USB stick & wireless mini keyboard trackpad, it works fine. After the initial driver install and restart, the boot process stops on crcdisk.sys. Plugging the stick directly into the Joggler, it will boot just fine. VNC gets me around that problem, while it works.

cheers

i have found the hw acceleration app to boost performance by about 5 percent, not much buit every little helps.

And i cannot comment on password share as my home network will share files with anyone who has secure access to my internet connection, Not as safe as password sharing but nobody will get past my routers security anyway lol

Great stuff there Dan!

I'm kind of stuck with the IE (tried 7, 8 and 9) implementations with no luck. SP1 & SP2 with no luck. Played around some with the Boot.ini file. Not sure if it made a different. Plugging the microdrive in different ports on the USB hub did make a difference though.

My issues with W7 are relating to MS rewriting networking as we knew it. This making W7 not play nice with the rest of the non MS network. I guess for pure function I liked W7 starter. For just one application I removed all of the functionality except for the basics on W7 Ultimate. BUT MS did originally rewrite networking taking bits and pieces of what existed and creating their own; why not though? They own something like over 80% of the market. I remember the days when Novell owned 80% of the market. MS W7 seems to want to take an inventory of all devices on the network and make them MS centric; no matter what. Its a nice introduction; plug n play for those not familiar with the home / soho environment.

I utilize Smoothwall (years now) for software firewall and then some. It'll run on practically anything. For HW FW I utilize the AP OS DD-WRT. Never binds up the hardware versus the MFG OS stuff. I utilize shares for music and videos but still keep local storage entities; IE: I utilize the Patriot Box Office NMT's each with 1TB 2.5 inch drives; these have been modded a bit with remote access, chroot et al. I stream audio (like the BBC) via TVersity and for video streaming utilize PlayOnTV...works for me. The PBO's are the same depth and width of a CD case and maybe about the height of 4 cases stacked high. You can velcro one behind an LCD TV (I do in my office). Performance with HD is great on this little boxes. Network transfer speeds are kind of slow but works fine.

is the dock a ziboo dock by any chance?

pete_c wrote:hawsey,

Try rebooting it a few times. Last night I was testing the W2003 image on a microdrive plugged into a 7 port USB hub (not powered) with a wireless Lenova Keyboard. Booted fine. It did request a reboot after all of the drivers loaded. A few days back I did the same with an 8Gb Kingston memory stick. Yes; with first boot; its attempting to run a script on its own; I haven't though let the script run as I would get control of the screen after a few minutes. After a couple of reboots I removed the script / applications from the start up.

Mevi

I didn't have issues connecting to network shares during my testing last night. It requested a login/password; I put that info in and was able to get to the shares. Attempted to install any version of IE with no luck; SP1 with no luck and SP2 with no luck.

Thanks Pete,
i dont have a usb hub or keyboard at the moment so do you think this could be my problem?
a freshly built image will boot up to the desktop with a couple of boxes open but the on screen keyboard or any type of touch will not work so it just stays on the desktop ,i leave it for 30 mins or so.
So eventualy i tried to re boot boot but then it doesn't even get to the desktop but hangs on a piece of code something like crc win32 ........ i have tried 3 times and allways the same outcome ...
Do you think i will have to go down the keyboard / hub route?
Many thanks for helping out great work going on here, Cheers
Gary

pete_c wrote:A modified EFI; (mentioned before) such that you chttp://jogglerhacks.blogspot.com/2010/04/dual-boot-on-joggler.htmlould have a multiboot choice; maybe timed such that one would default on boot.

One for W2003, Ubuntu, original O2 OS and Android.

I have my Chumby's booting into Linux by default with a 2 Gb CF card plugged in. When the CF card is removed; they boot into the Chumby OS.

BTW the Chumby only has a resistive screen, 800Mhz Arm CPU so its a bit slower; still functional though. These are high on the WAF scale in that I didn't cut any holes in any walls and they sit typically running a picture screen saver. They are nestled between picture frames all over the home; kind of discrete; yet very functional. Wife will only touch the "in wall" touchscreens that are simple in function. She will not touch the customized ones for fear she might "break" something.

This would be great, a triple boot (my present w2003 issues ignored lol)
I found this on hack the joggler, it looks pretty cool but is beyond me.
JOGGLER DUAL. BOOT
http://jogglerhacks.blogspot.com/2010/0 ... ggler.html
hope this is helpfull.

@Dan.... Yes, it's a Zipad. Got it cheap off eBay and stuck a 120GB HDD ripped out of a dead xbox 360 inside with a cheap optical. I put it together with the sole intention of using it with the Joggler. Works OK with my acer aspire one when I need an optical drive. It's just no good for Linux, but let's hope I can get some use out of it with a W2003 Joggler!

Wondering if putting the pagefile on a 2nd USB stick or HDD might work. Hoping to reduce excess file access on the boot drive.

@Gary... I think a hub/keyboard/mouse is essential for the initial setup. I needed to 'update driver' for the touch screen from the device manager before it would work. You'll see it listed with an exclamation mark. My various combinations of hubs and USB sticks won't boot after the initial boot though.

Oh, also I disable a 2nd monitor that is left behind from detecting hardware, i guess. It's is invisible on the Joggler, but I discovered when connecting with VNC.

yeah when the graphics install, they leave an extended desktop, not sure why but they do.

And i hate to say it but the hub keyboard is looking as though its a must with windows, as anytime i have tried sharing an image with touch enabled it always seems to want to reinstall the touch drivers, i think this may be down to the different device ids of different usb sticks, as i could rewrite as many times as i wanted on my now deceased usb drive, and touch would still work

@mevi you could in theory make an entire usb stick a massive paging area, use performance tab on system(right click my computer, select system)

@hawsey a double boot is entirely possible, i will just need to rework the efi, though i warn you this may lead to failed parts of windows, as the boot method is what controls access to paging, and windows without a page file is sluggish as all hell lol

@mevi thinking of buying i zipad, would you be able to take a picture of your jogler sitting on it, as i think this would be awesome as a replacement to a usb hub, and if i can get one i am sure i can get the optical working lol

Gary,
It should be quicker without a hub; but if the touchscreen isn't working then you are out of luck; so yeah I too would recommend a hub with a keyboard mouse combo. I use the little Lenova wireless combo. If it doesn't work after 2-3 times; try to redo the image and start again. It seems to load up drivers at the beginning.

I currently have a 1024 Mb default static page file with the XP setup. Worksfine on the OS drive. The first Joggler is now in "production" doing its job. I am using it entirely via touch.

danfoshizzle wrote:@mevi thinking of buying i zipad, would you be able to take a picture of your jogler sitting on it, as i think this would be awesome as a replacement to a usb hub, and if i can get one i am sure i can get the optical working lol

Yeah, I guess if anyone can get it working.......

The pictures are a bit rubbish on my phone. In the first pic is my Rii Mini keyboard/trackpad. It's a lot bigger than the footprint of a Joggler, but with some right angle USB cables, it might look OK sideways with the optical drive out front. The Y-cable is enough to power it from a PC, but you'll need to use the power supply with the Joggler and like with other powered hubs sending power to the Joggler USB socket, the screen goes white before the joggler is connected to the mains.