O2 Joggler Forum

will do two builds, one with software that i feel suits the joggler, one core install

will also look into a dual boot, but may be tricky as the jogglers efi can be a stubborn thing sometimes lol

Thanks Dan!

Can I just add that some documentation on the wiki for this would be much appreciated, particularly covering the implementation of successful booting. Due to the dubious legality of redistributing any version of Windows, and the inevitable loss that will occur when the file sharing site deletes the file, it's important that the methods used are recorded, otherwise the effort will be lost in time.

Ideally, and especially for closed source operating systems like Windows, there should be a method for people to go from official installation CD to working Joggler themselves. This will avoid 'feature creep' (adding 'just one more app' to an image) and prevent developers from a cease-and-desist notification from the copyright owner.

will write up the tut as soon as i have time roobarb!

Busy decorating new gaff at the mo so will be a little while

Hi, you could do an 'Unactivated/30 day trial Joggler XP/Server 2003 Edition', to maybe prevent anyone removeing the image due to copyright issues?

Just a thought....


Cant wait for the release !

Dan,

I removed all of the activation / sn stuff from the XP image; but it still was a bit slow when compared to the Linux Ubuntu image specifically for my requirments.

In the house today though have a variety of OS's running on a variety of different hardware. Mostly lately custom stuff on Arm based CPU sheevaplug devices. I did get a Mimo TS monitor running with a Seagate Dockstar (Sheeva) Ubuntu Linux; just had issues with the TS stuff. Very small footprint; mini pc like. Fast enough to use as a regular computer though. No where near though what the Joggler can do.

The ability to run customized TTS voice fonts on the build is an added plus. The sound issue remains though.

I'll post previously posted image without any activation stuff. Its still a bit slow to boot.

I haven't "played" now with it in a few days. Want to make a video of it booting into the custom application / timing it versus the Linux into the same or similiar application.

I am still waiting on my USB SSD device to compare speeds. I did get a 1.8" drive case. Very reasonable at $1.99 USD with free shipping. Better than a bunch of wires all over my desk.

Meanwhile...dealing with replacing the legacy Tivo due to WAF; sooner the better (I personally don't watch any broadcast TV), redoing my weather station (before the snow comes), "end of the fall" into "winter stuff" outside.....

no worries Pete, just keep checking back as i am tinkering all the time i am free, may just come up with something, you never know lol

Playing a bit today with the 30Gb microdrive versus the mini 1/2 size 2.5" IDE drive. It is much faster running, rebooting et al than the USB stick. Its easier to play with in a little micro case versus the wires, ZIF cable, etc....it really is small enough to fit inside of the Joggler maybe....one thing that works well is just the reboot of XP. Very quick; doesn't spend any time looking for the USB Stick boot drive....hopefully getting the USB SSD (taking a long time) and will compare...now I really have to getting my stuff done...(very boring).

danfoshizzle wrote:will write up the tut as soon as i have time roobarb!

Busy decorating new gaff at the mo so will be a little while

Brilliant. Decorating. I know that feeling.

even worse when your painting the whole house white! lol

Interesting in that I didn't know what you meant by "decorating new gaff"? Never heard that before.

I'm using "painters tape" to keep the Joggler in one piece together while I test with the 1.8 microdrive plugged into the internal USB port. Rebooting it a few times; very quick. I still am waiting for the USB SSD; but I could actually utilize the mini ZIF / USB board I have with the 1.8" microdrive inside. It might just fit....I really like the USB boot thing but the interiorly mounted microdrive is looking better.

So bored / procrastinating on the outside stuff; put up a new weatherstation instead. Wireless and it works well. Old one is starting to fail; comparing numbers...base OS to collect data will be a Seagate Dockstar...talking XAP running a little web server.

Any ETA on the new image?

A friend suggested XP MCE for the Joggler to me this afternoon. I never would have thought. I had a look at the old 2005 MCE. It would look OK on the Joggler.

Kind of thinking that I could leave the microdrive inside of the primary "test" Joggler and do a multiboot EFI from the EFI partition; initially manually modifying it.

later today new image, real busy atm sorry guys

mce would be a good choice had already though about it, but not sure how windows media center would handle the low res

Dan,

Tried to the command line options in the new Joggler brightness/dimness program. Works well. Running the application in the start up folder of XP it needs a delay as its running before the OS has completed the loading process and erroring out. So I put it in a batch file instead. Its just using 1-100 after the exe file in a command line.

Ordered a micro zip to mini USB card yesterday (very small and doesn't have the CF connector on it). Even with its very tiny footprint; I would be having a hard time putting it inside of the Joggler. I could drill a hole in the back cover of the Joggler and velcro the microdrive to the back; but it would be kind of a "mickey mouse" job.

I also have on order the new USB SSD drives. Smaller footprint. I purchased the 8 Gb USB SSD for $24 USD. The 16Gb USB SSD is around $50 USD. I did notice no stalls or delays when looking at the internal USB to boot. Very quick on reboot.

I have the image at 6Gb right now with a 1Gb paging file. 4Gb stripped down to the bare essentials works too leaving the pagefile at the auto set size of 750Mb or so. I noticed comparing the USB fast stick to the 1.8" microdrive that there's some weird "bursting" that goes on with the memory stick and causes some delays which I do not see with the microdrive.

I also tested the 2005 SP3 version of MCE yesterday. Yes; it has problems in MCE on the resolution. It won't show any movie videos; but it does when not running MCE; even after installing multiple codecs. It would have to be modded some to get resolution / codecs running. (its been years and I remember doing this - not sure if its worth it for what you get). Better to run XMBC.

Did you get the sound stuff working with the Sigmatel audio chip on the W2003 build? I'm still struggling with it having modded about 5 different notebook install INF files for it. I have the Intel 97 audio version of it on other PC's and they sense very well when using the audio jacks with the audio application running; the same audio application will not install on the Joggler for whatever reason?

BTW one of the internal NIC issues was that it was not autonegociating the speed on my network (a mix of Gb and 100Mps). So I hard set it to 100 full duplex and it works every time. You can also hard set the MAC such that it doesn't make up one on boot. I also removed the RealTek NIC tools as they were not needed.

no unfortunately the sound config remains unchanged, i have tried multiple times and cant get it past playing system beeps, although i now cannot get it to play system beeps anymore lol

Yesterday noticed when I plugged it a USB hub the Joggler thought it was another video monitor. Never saw this before. Personally just testing the audio as I have a distributed 12 zones of audio in the house; so I really only use local audio a little bit. IE: I use it today for a little 3.5" Chumby (Arm CPU) running Pandora. BTW very good sound for a little box.

Verg0, I'll document a step by step once I know it to be running and post a "virginal" image of it sans some of the mods.

I noticed when doing similiar (but Linux build) for the Chumby/Sheeva Seagate Dockstar or PogoPlug (with the ARM CPU); folks were more interested in the image rather than the step by step building of the USB image. It involved though using a Linux VM, chroot etc stuff; and many folks are not into that. I've seen the same with rooting my phone. I've typically removed the adware from my phones; stripped it down to the essentials and it always works better (like the baking the OS applications). (Xda is a great forum!).

A custom Joggler "baking" application would be nice though; something where you would run the front end; it would give you the choice of OS, media type; then you make your choices; add the pieces and build your OS...but not sure if there is enough users that would would take advantage of such an application.